BigMouthNana Got It Right: Barack Obama is the President Elect

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It's possible that someone could receive a revelation that Obama will
be an antichrist (cf. 1 John 2:18), but then misinterpret that
revelation to mean that he'll be the Antichrist.

Obama won't be the Antichrist because the gematrial number of his
name isn't 666 (Revelation 13:17b-18), and because he isn't from a
country the territory of which used to be part of one of the four
Diadochian (Greek) kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of
Alexander (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25).

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The rapture won't happen when the Antichrist is revealed by sitting
in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and proclaiming himself God
(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4), an event called the abomination of
desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36). 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
is simply saying that Jesus can't come and gather together (rapture)
the church until sometime after there's a falling away (apostasy) in
the church and the Antichrist commits the abomination of desolation,
for when Jesus comes to gather together and marry the church he'll
destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20).
Jesus could come to gather together and marry the church 1,335
days after the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12,
Revelation 16:15, 19:7-8).

Before Jesus comes to gather together and marry the church, the
church will have to go through the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4). Jesus won't come to gather together and
marry the church until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31,
Revelation 19:7).

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A few people fainting around Obama doesn't mean that he'll be the
Antichrist.

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Wealth redistribution is Biblical; it was practiced by the early church
(Acts 4:34-35, 2:45), which owned all things in common (Acts 4:32,
2:44).

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It's said that the four-armed monkey-amulet that Obama carries in his
pocket is the Thai version of the Hindu god Hanuman.

The monkey Hanuman, although said to be an incarnation of Shiva
the destroyer, is also said at the same time to represent humility
and selflessness. It's possible that Obama has kept a little Hanuman
in his pocket to remind himself of these qualities, and the constant
need to destroy pride and selfishness within himself.

Also, it's said that Hanuman is regarded as a symbol of luck and
protection, and little statues of Hanuman are set up along some
roads to help prevent accidents. So another possibility is that
Obama has kept a little Hanuman in his pocket as a good-luck charm,
to keep him from accidents, or simply to remind himself to always be
careful so as not to get into any accidents because of his own lack
of attention.

A third possibility is that Obama has kept a little Hanuman in his
pocket not because it's a Hanuman, but because of who gave it to
him, perhaps while he was a boy living in Indonesia. That is, it could
be a reminder of someone he cares about, or cared about if they've
died by now.

The point isn't that any Christian should carry around a little pagan
god in his or her pocket, but that Obama's carrying one around in his
pocket doesn't require that he worships it. If he did, that would only
further disqualify him from being the Antichrist, for the Antichrist
won't worship any gods but himself (Daniel 11:36-37, 2 Thessalonians
2:4) and the dragon Lucifer (Revelation 13:4, cf. Daniel 11:38).

A news article in India had some people there claiming that "Obama
has deep faith in Lord Hanuman" [1]. They're sending him a gold
statue of Hanuman.

Who knows? The gold statue of "Lord Hanuman" could end up in the
White House, even in the Oval Office. Or, it could just end up in a
box in some storage facility.

[1] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Hanuman_idol_for_Obama/articleshow/3160730.cms

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While the Antichrist may have no regard for women, the Bible doesn't
say that. Daniel 11:37 means that he'll have no regard for a god
desired by women (cf. Ezekiel 8:14).

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On the good side, a Civilian National Security Force in the U.S. could
help protect neighborhoods from armed gangs looting, raping, and
burning after a major natural disaster or terrorist attack.

On the bad side, a Civilian National Security Force in the U.S. could
also help round up fundamentalist Christians (Bible "fanatics") into
"Homeland Security Camps" (concentration camps), if all
fundamentalist Christians are one day deemed to be "possible
national-security risks", after the occurrence of some false-flag
terrorist attacks in the U.S. purportedly committed by fundamentalist
Christians.

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Some reasons for Christians to get rid of any dreamcatchers that
they may have:

1. Dreamcatchers could bring demonic activity into the lives of
Christians owning them:

a) Demons associated with American Indian occult practices could
be attracted to dreamcatchers.

b) Christians owning occult objects such as dreamcatchers could
give demons a legal right to affect the lives, if even only the sleep,
of those Christians.

c) Some dreamcatchers could have had demons purposely attached
to them by American Indian shamans through occult ceremonies.

2. For some people, dreamcatchers appear to be evil, and Christians
are to abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22).

3. There could be some weak believers who before they got saved
used to employ a dreamcatcher in an occult fashion, but then got
rid of it once they got saved. If they subsequenty hear about a
believer holding onto dreamcatchers, they could get emboldened to
reacquire one and use it in an occult fashion (cf. 1 Corinthians
8:9-13).

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Medvedev isn't the Antichrist for the same two reasons that Obama
isn't the Antichrist.

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The woman in Revelation 12 represents the church, seen clothed
with the sun of righteousness (Revelation 12:1, Malachi 4:2), just
as later she's seen clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8),
which comes only through faith in Jesus (Romans 3:22). Everyone
who has faith in Jesus is part of his body, the church (Ephesians
4:4-5).

The man-child caught up mid-tribulation to the throne of God
(Revelation 12:5-6) represents the 144,000 male-virgins part of the
church subsequently seen before the throne of God (Revelation
14:4-5).

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The Bible doesn't teach the imminent return of Christ, but expressly
counters that idea (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).

The Bible doesn't teach a pre-tribulation rapture, but expressly
teaches that the rapture will be post-tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31).

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The day of the Lord will begin at the second coming (1 Corinthians
1:7-8), which won't happen until after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-31) of Revelation chapters 6-18 (Revelation 19:7-21).

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The temporary darkening of the sun and reddening of the moon at
one point during the first stage of the coming tribulation (Revelation
6:12) will be before the day of the Lord (Joel 2:31), possibly some
six years before.

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The falling away/departure which has to happen before Jesus comes
to gather together the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) is an
apostasy (apostasia), a falling away/departure from the faith by
some in the church (Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1, Matthew 24:10-12).

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Seal 5 is the giving of some literal robes to the souls of the dead
martyrs in heaven (Revelation 6:9-11), like the literal robe worn by
the soul of the dead Samuel in Hades (1 Samuel 28:14).

The souls of the dead martyrs in heaven got there by dying, for
when a believer dies he or she goes into heaven to be with Jesus
(Philippians 1:21,23, 2 Corinthians 5:8).

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The symbolic bridal clothes of Revelation 19:8 represent the
righteousness of the saints (Revelation 19:8b) which believers have
now through their faith in Jesus (Romans 3:22).

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The falling stars in the first stage of the tribulation (Revelation 6:13)
could be meteorites, while the subsequent fallen stars at mid-
tribulation (Revelation 12:4,6) could represent fallen angels, for stars
can represent angels (Revelation 1:20).

The fallen star in Revelation 9:1 could be Satan (cf. Luke 10:18),
who as "Lucifer" first fell from heaven long ago (Isaiah 14:12). He
won't be cast down to the earth for good until mid-tribulation
(Revelation 12:6-9), after the first six trumpets (Revelation chapters
8-9), and at the start of the 3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist
(Revelation 12:13-13:18).

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The gathering together (rapture) of the church won't happen until
after the temporary darkening of both the sun and the moon after
the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31).

Matthew 24:30-31 is Jesus' coming with his angels.

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The church will never be removed from the earth (Proverbs 10:30,
John 17:15,20).

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Those who say Revelation 6:17 could be just as mistaken as Job
was when he said Job 19:11.

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Revelation chapters 6-22 could be chronological, in that the coming
tribulation could begin with seals 2-7 (Revelation 6:3-8:6), then
trumpets 1-6 could happen (Revelation 8:7-9:21), then the 3.5-year
world-reign of the Antichrist could happen (shown from four different
angles in Revelation chapters 11-14), then the seven plagues and
vials could happen (Revelation 15:1-19:6), then the second coming
could happen (Revelation 19:7-20:3), then the millennium could
happen (Revelation 20:4-6), then the battle of Gog and Magog could
happen (Revelation 20:7-10, cf. Ezekiel chapters 38-39), then the
great-white-throne judgment could happen (Revelation 20:11-15),
then the new heaven, new earth, and descent of New Jerusalem
could happen (Revelation 21:1-22:15).

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The seven trumpets could come out of the seventh seal (Revelation
8:1-2), and the seven plagues of the seven vials could come out of
the temple-opening of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15,19,
15:5-16:1).

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Tony Blair isn't the Antichrist for the same two reasons that Obama
and Medvedev aren't the Antichrist.

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Jesus has saved all believers from the wrath to come
(1 Thessalonians 1:10, John 3:36), including those believers who will
still be alive to go through the coming tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13,
Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

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The False Prophet's calling fire down from heaven to deceive the
world (Revelation 13:13-14) will be a counterfeit of Elijah's calling
fire down from heaven to bring Israel back into the truth (1 Kings
18:38-39).

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Matthew 24:15 refers to the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet (Daniel 11:31,36), which will be fulfilled by the
Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:4).
 
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The restrainer of the revelation of the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians
2:6-8) at the abomination of desolation (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel
11:31,36, Matthew 24:15) could be a powerful angel, like the one
who will restrain Satan at the second coming (Revelation 20:1-3).

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2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 doesn't say that the day of the Lord is
present at the revealing of the Antichrist, but means that the day
of the Lord (which will start at the coming of Jesus and gathering
together of the church) can' t happen until sometime after the
apostasy and the revealing of the Antichrist, because when Jesus
comes to gather together and marry the church he'll destroy the
Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20).

The paraphrase "If the apostasy does not come first and the man of
lawlessness is not revealed, the Day of the Lord is not present" isn't
the same as saying "If the apostasy has come first and the man of
lawlessness is revealed, the Day of the Lord is present", for there
will be a gap of time between when the man of lawlessness is
revealed at the abomination of desolation (2 Thessalonians 2:4,
Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15) and when the day of the Lord
is present, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering
together unto him (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 1 Corinthians 1:7-8),
immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). Jesus could
come to gather together and marry the church 1,335 days after the
abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15, 19:7-8).

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The judgment-part of the day of the Lord is the judgment at the
second coming (Revelation 19:11-21), then the judgment during the
millennium (Zechariah 14:19), then the judgment at the battle of Gog
and Magog (Revelation 20:9b), and then the great-white-throne
judgment (Revelation 20:11-15, cf. 2 Peter 3:10).

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The separation of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:32) is the
great-white-throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), after the
millennium and the battle of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-10,
cf. Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

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Some unsaved people will be left alive at the second coming
(Matthew 24:40). They'll be forced to worship Jesus during the
millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19). They'll populate the millennial
kingdom, and their descendants will be deceived by Satan after the
millennium (Revelation 20:7-10).

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Isaiah 2:10 refers not to the tribulation (Revelation 6:15), when the
Antichrist will be exalted (Revelation 13:8), but to the second
coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8), after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-31, Revelation 19:7-21), the future day of the Lord when the
Lord alone will be exalted (Isaiah 2:11b).

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The temporary darkening of the sun and reddening of the moon at
one point during the first stage of the coming tribulation (Revelation
6:12) isn't the same event as the temporary darkening of both the
sun and the moon after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29), after which
darkening Jesus will come with his angels to gather together
(rapture) the church (Matthew 24:30-31, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:1).

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Matthew 23:38 means that Jerusalem is desolate of Jesus' physical
presence until his second coming (Matthew 23:39).

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There's nothing in Matthew 24 about the trumpets of the tribulation
(Revelation chapters 8-9, 11:15-19) or the two witnesses
(Revelation 11), or the details about the reign of the Antichrist and
the False Prophet (Revelation 13:4-18, 19:20), or the vials of wrath
(Revelation 16), because Matthew 24 gives just a short summary of
the tribulation and second coming of Revelation chapters 6-19. At
the time Jesus spoke Matthew 24 to the apostles, they weren't yet
ready for all of the many details of Revelation chapters 6-19 (cf.
John 16:12-13) which he would much later reveal to the apostle
John (Revelation 1:1).

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The church is a nation (Matthew 21:43b, 1 Peter 2:9) and will be
present during the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10,
14:12-13, 20:4).

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Those who are saved and who will live to go through the tribulation
(Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4) won't be
appointed to God's wrath, for no one who has obtained salvation
can be appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

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The church and Israel aren't separate, because all Jews in the
church remain Israel (Romans 11:1), and all Gentiles in the church
have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19,
Galatians 3:29). So the whole church is Israel (Revelation
21:9b,12b). This is necessary because the new covenant by which
the church is saved (Matthew 26:28, 1 Corinthians 11:25,
2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15) is made only with Israel (Jeremiah
31:31).

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All those in the church will inherit the land of Israel, for all of the
promises to Abraham's seed were to Christ (Galatians 3:16), so
that all those in Christ, no matter whether they're Jews or Gentiles,
will inherit what was promised to Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29).

If even strangers to Israel can inherit the land of Israel (Ezekiel
47:21-23), then how much more can those who are no longer
strangers to Israel, but fellowcitizens (Ephesians 2:12,19), inherit
the land of Israel?

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There will be unsaved elect Jews who won't be saved until after the
tribulation, when they see Jesus at his second coming (Zechariah
13:6, 12:10-14, Romans 11:25-28). But because they weren't
already Christ's at his coming (1 Corinthians 15:23), they'll miss the
resurrection and changing of the church into immortality at the
second coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23,51-53, 1 Thessalonians
4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-6). But they'll still be part of the church
during the millennium, for anyone who has faith in Jesus is part of
his body, the church (Ephesians 4:4-5). They'll help to populate the
millennium.

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The time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) isn't the entire
tribulation, but only a final attack on the Jews in Jerusalem at the
very end of the tribulation, right before the second coming saves
them (Zechariah 14:2-21).

There will be many Gentile believers who will live to enter into the
coming tribulation (Revelation 7:9,14).

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The priesthood status in 1 Peter 2:9,5 applies not only to Jewish
Christians, but also to Gentile Christians (Revelation 1:6, 5:9-10,
20:6).

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Christians will go through the coming tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13,
Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4) for the same reason that
Christians have gone through past tribulations (2 Thessalonians 1:4,
Philippians 1:29, Acts 14:22, 1 Peter 4:12-13, John 16:33).

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Even during the final stage of the coming tribulation, the vials of
God's wrath (Revelation 16), Jesus still won't yet have come as a
thief (Revelation 16:15), for he won't come to gather together
(rapture) and marry the church until after the entire tribulation
(Matthew 24:29-31) of Revelation chapters 6-18 (Revelation
19:7-21).

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At one point near the end of the tribulation the unsaved world will
in effect be saying "peace and safety" (1 Thessalonians 5:3, cf.
Revelation 11:10).

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Jesus' description of the separation of Lazarus and the rich man into
two different parts of Hades (Luke 16:22-26) matches Enoch's
description of the separation of the dead souls of the righteous and
the wicked (Enoch 22:8-11) because both descriptions referred to
where the souls of dead believers went before the resurrection of
Jesus.

After Jesus' resurrection, he went and preached the completion of
the gospel to the dead believers in Hades (1 Peter 4:6, 3:19), and
then drew their souls up into heaven (Ephesians 4:8-9) to become
part of the church in heaven (Hebrews 12:22-24).

Since the resurrection of Jesus, all believers go into heaven to be
with him when they die (Philippians 1:21,23, 2 Corinthians 5:8).

The martyrs in Revelation 6:9 are under the altar in heaven
(cf. Revelation 8:3).

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The Antichrist isn't Satan, but is a man (2 Thessalonians 2:3,
Revelation 13:18) who will be empowered by Satan (2 Thessalonians
2:9), who will be worshipped along with Satan (Revelation 13:4), who
will have a separate mouth than Satan (Revelation 16:13), and who
will be cast into the lake of fire 1,000 years before Satan (Revelation
19:20, 20:7,10).

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The Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and
deny that Christ is come in the flesh (1 John 4:3).
 
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Gay bishop invited to pre-inauguration event in DC

By BETH LaMONTAGNE HALL - Associated Press Writer

The first openly gay Episcopal bishop will say a prayer at the Lincoln Memorial for one of President-elect Barack Obama's first inauguration events. New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop V. Gene Robinson will deliver the invocation at an event on Sunday to kick off inauguration festivities. His selection follows weeks of criticism from gay-rights groups over Obama's decision to have the Rev. Rick Warren give the invocation at his Jan. 20 inauguration. Warren had backed a recent ballot measure banning same-sex marriage in his home state of California.
Robinson has said he was stung by Warren's selection, but still believes Obama will be the most supportive president ever for gay-rights causes.
"There's no question in my mind that he is the president who understands our issues and comes out of a background knowing what it's like to be discriminated against because of who you are," Robinson said Monday. "I think for the first time in a very long time we'll have a friend in the White House."
Robinson was an early Obama supporter, offering advice as well as his endorsement before the New Hampshire primary, which Obama lost to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Robinson said he doesn't believe he was asked to participate to calm criticism of Warren. Obama's decision to include clergymen with different views is emblematic of what kind of leader Obama will be, Robinson said.
"What it means for the nation is that Barack Obama is who he told us he was and intends to be, which is a person who unites us," Robinson said. "The fact Rick Warren and I are each giving invocations during inauguration festivities just shows that the new president means to include all Americans."
Presidential Inaugural Committee spokeswoman Linda Douglass said Robinson is one of several religious speakers who reflects Obama's commitment to diversity throughout the inaugural festivities.
"Rev. Robinson was selected on his own merit because he is a man who preaches tolerance and inclusivity, all very important values that he shares with the president-elect," Douglass said.
Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden will attend the inaugural kickoff and Obama is expected to speak. Robinson said his prayer will be addressed not only to Barack Obama, but also to the entire nation.
"Given the difficult circumstances we all face and given the fact we have placed so much hope on and responsibility on Barack, I think it's appropriate to remind the nation he's only a human being and he can't do all this by himself," he said. "In fact, all of us will need to play our own part."
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I'm not surprised!!!!!
 
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That's what bothers me about Obama just as if a woman were president elect. Most likely AfricanAmericans supported Obama, because of the color of his skin just as many women would vote for a female candidate. I wonder if they really thought his promises and rhetoric would bring change.
I honestly don't care if the incoming president was American Indian or Asian or ? as long as the claims matched what the Lord was informing believers was in the heart of the person. I and many others question greatly what Obama will do in office...or those who propelled him forward from obscurity.
 
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And now this: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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What is with his infatuation for the gays??? I posted last night an article about him wanting to remove the ban on gays in the military...Don't Ask, Don't Tell law. The news commentators said that they doubt if Congress will pass that. It reminds me of that verse in Daniel 7:25 ~ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws (doesn't say that he does): and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
I'm beginning to wonder if where it says he shall speak great words against the Most High, if that doesn't mean go against what Gods Word says. I also am leaning toward the "change times" as meaning the times that we live in and not actual time...like days,weeks, etc. It makes sense to me sense it is together, times and laws.

 
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Obama's support of homosexuality doesn't make him the Antichrist,
just as President Clinton's suppport of homosexuality didn't make him
the Antichrist. It does, however, make Obama an antichrist, in the
sense of his being against the teachings of Christ. For in the Bible,
Christ taught through his apostle Paul that homosexuality is a sin:
"for even their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of
the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet" (Romans 1:26-27).

Homosexual acts, if they are not repented of, will, like any other
unrepented sin, keep someone from being saved: "Know ye not that
the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not
deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves,
nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall
inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

People are not set free from homosexual desires, or any other sinful
desires, through legal restrictions placed upon them. For legal
restrictions have no power at all against sinful desires, but can even
help to revive and inflame them: "sin, taking occasion by the
commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For
without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once:
but when the commandment came, sin revived" (Romans 7:8-9).

Only Jesus has the power to set people free from the sin of
homosexuality, just as any other sin: "Jesus answered them, Verily,
verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of
sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son
abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be
free indeed" (John 8:34-36).

Obama supports homosexuality probably because he doesn't realize
that it's a sin. Not realizing that something is a sin is a common
failing among people, and doesn't make them the Antichrist. But
someone could answer, "How in the world could he not realize that
it's a sin, after what the Bible says? How can he go against God's
Word?" Because even when people read the Bible, they can
mistakenly reject what it says as the word of men and not God
himself. Or they can simply close their eyes to what it says and
pretend that it doesn't say what it says, but must mean something
else.

For example, many Christians close their eyes to the scriptures
which clearly state that to divorce one's spouse and marry someone
else, or to marry a divorced woman, is to commit adultery:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth
adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband,
and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark
10:11-12), "and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her
husband committeth adultery" (Luke 16:18).

There is one exception to the rule against divorce and remarriage:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication,
and shall marry another, committeth adultery" (Matthew 19:9). But
note that this only allows a husband to divorce his wife for
fornication, and then marry someone else; it doesn't permit a wife
to divorce her husband for fornication, and then marry someone
else. For if a wife divorces her husband, for whatever reason, she
has to remain single or be reconciled to her husband: "And unto the
married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart
from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or
be reconciled to her husband" (1 Corinthians 7:10-11). Note that
this is not some idea of Paul's, but the command of the Lord himself.

Also, the fornication exception permitted to husbands, allowing them
to divorce their wives for fornication and marry someone else,
probably applies only to cases where a newlywed husband discovers
that his wife is not a virgin, but had commiited fornication with
someone else before their marriage. Compare: "I took this woman,
and when I came to her, I found her not a maid" (Deuteronomy
22:14). Or compare when Joseph mistakenly thought that Mary had
committed fornication with someone else before her marriage to
Joseph had been consummated: when "Mary was espoused to
Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the
Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not
willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away
privily" (Matthew 1:18-19).

So the fornication exception could be rather restricted in its
application. Jesus made quite clear that marriage under his New
Covenant, unlike under Moses' abolished Old Covenant, is not
something which is to involve divorce and remarriage: "Wherefore
they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath
joined together, let not man put asunder ... Moses because of the
hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives"
(Matthew 19:6,8). The great sanctity of marriage under the New
Covenant is repeated again by the apostle Paul; it is not to involve
divorce at all, and even if a divorce does occur, there is to be no
marrying of someone else: "Let not the wife depart from her
husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be
reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his
wife" (1 Corinthians 7:10-11).

Of course, such restrictions have been basically thrown out the
window by the church. Even the Catholic Church, which still abides
by the restrictions in name, still gets around them by its invention of
annulments, even in cases where a man has married a virgin wife.
And almost all Protestant churches have become conformed to this
world regarding marriage, permitting divorce and remarriage for any
reason whatsoever, insteading of sticking with what the scriptures
themselves teach.

So Christians really need to look to their own house first, before
becoming outraged over how homosexuals and their supporters can
so blatantly "go against what God's Word says".

And second-marriage adultery is only one of the unrepentant sins
running rampant in the church, and which will keep even Christians
from salvation. The church today is filled with people wlllfully
committing any one (or more than one) of the following sins without
repentance: "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and
such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in
time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the
kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21).

How many of us Christians can honestly claim that we do not commit
any of these sins on a regular or even an occasional basis, or that
we have honestly repented from every one of them and have no
plans to ever commit any of them again in the future? And even
among those handful of Christians who are completely free from all
of these sins, how many of them are yet in the grip of the worst sin
of all: spiritual pride and self-righteousness?

"And [Jesus] spake this parable unto certain which trusted in
themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men
went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other
a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I
thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust,
adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give
tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off,
would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon
his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this
man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for
every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that
humbleth himself shall be exalted" (Luke 18:9-14).

God, be merciful to us sinners, and open our eyes to what is sin, and
free us from it, as only you can.
 
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It's possible that someone could receive a revelation that Obama will
be an antichrist (cf. 1 John 2:18), but then misinterpret that
revelation to mean that he'll be the Antichrist.
Possible, if they are Spiritually deaf, dumb, and stupid...which I'm not.

Obama won't be the Antichrist because the gematrial number of his
name isn't 666 (Revelation 13:17b-18), and because he isn't from a
country the territory of which used to be part of one of the four
Diadochian (Greek) kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of
Alexander (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25).
Nowhere does the bible state that the Antichrists name adds up to 666. It says count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man...Rev 13:8. It could be anything to do with this man, even a new bill signed and passed with a number, an amendment, number of days in office when he is revealed to the church etc....ANYTHING. There have been many men who have had the gematrial number 666, even Nero. Heck, worldwide web www = 666 also. Do you think that God would play games with our heads after saying, here is wisdom, let him who hath understanding count the number of the beast when many evil men have had/have this number? This isn't the letter values of the mans name whatsoever!! How many in the church do you think rush to their letter values to check mens names out? VERY FEW. This is a false teaching and man made interpretation of this verse.


Revelation 16:15, 19:7-8).

Before Jesus comes to gather together and marry the church, the
church will have to go through the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4). Jesus won't come to gather together and
marry the church until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31,
Revelation 19:7).
This I agree with 100%.


It's said that the four-armed monkey-amulet that Obama carries in his
pocket is the Thai version of the Hindu god Hanuman.

The monkey Hanuman, although said to be an incarnation of Shiva
the destroyer, is also said at the same time to represent humility
and selflessness. It's possible that Obama has kept a little Hanuman
in his pocket to remind himself of these qualities, and the constant
need to destroy pride and selfishness within himself.
Also, it's said that Hanuman is regarded as a symbol of luck and
protection, and little statues of Hanuman are set up along some
roads to help prevent accidents. So another possibility is that
Obama has kept a little Hanuman in his pocket as a good-luck charm,
to keep him from accidents, or simply to remind himself to always be
careful so as not to get into any accidents because of his own lack
of attention.

A third possibility is that Obama has kept a little Hanuman in his
pocket not because it's a Hanuman, but because of who gave it to
him, perhaps while he was a boy living in Indonesia. That is, it could
be a reminder of someone he cares about, or cared about if they've
died by now.

The point isn't that any Christian should carry around a little pagan
god in his or her pocket, but that Obama's carrying one around in his
pocket doesn't require that he worships it. If he did, that would only
further disqualify him from being the Antichrist, for the Antichrist
won't worship any gods but himself (Daniel 11:36-37, 2 Thessalonians
2:4) and the dragon Lucifer (Revelation 13:4, cf. Daniel 11:38).

A news article in India had some people there claiming that "Obama
has deep faith in Lord Hanuman" [1]. They're sending him a gold
statue of Hanuman.

Who knows? The gold statue of "Lord Hanuman" could end up in the
White House, even in the Oval Office. Or, it could just end up in a
box in some storage facility.
Oh, dreamcatchers are evil, but a Hindu monkey amulet is okay for Obama :doh:I have 2 dreamcatchers, one in my house, and one hanging from my rear view mirror in my car. Only people with weak minds and weak faith look at these as evil. I look at them as Indian art like any other decoration that I own, not worship.

Some reasons for Christians to get rid of any dreamcatchers that
they may have:

1. Dreamcatchers could bring demonic activity into the lives of
Christians owning them:

a) Demons associated with American Indian occult practices could
be attracted to dreamcatchers.

b) Christians owning occult objects such as dreamcatchers could
give demons a legal right to affect the lives, if even only the sleep,
of those Christians.

c) Some dreamcatchers could have had demons purposely attached
to them by American Indian shamans through occult ceremonies.

2. For some people, dreamcatchers appear to be evil, and Christians
are to abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22).

3. There could be some weak believers who before they got saved
used to employ a dreamcatcher in an occult fashion, but then got
rid of it once they got saved. If they subsequenty hear about a
believer holding onto dreamcatchers, they could get emboldened to
reacquire one and use it in an occult fashion (cf. 1 Corinthians
8:9-13).
You are hilarious ^_^
 
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Nana, you are dead wrong about the Hanuman or anything else (dream catchers) that is of demons. God definitely sees them as evil and He certainly doesn't have weak faith or a weak mind. In fact, He levels the place if such things are found in it. So, duck!
 
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Possible, if they are Spiritually deaf, dumb, and stupid...which I'm not.

Nowhere does the bible state that the Antichrists name adds up to 666. It says count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man...Rev 13:8. It could be anything to do with this man, even a new bill signed and passed with a number, an amendment, number of days in office when he is revealed to the church etc....ANYTHING. There have been many men who have had the gematrial number 666, even Nero. Heck, worldwide web www = 666 also. Do you think that God would play games with our heads after saying, here is wisdom, let him who hath understanding count the number of the beast when many evil men have had/have this number?

This isn't the letter values of the mans name whatsoever!! How many in the church do you think rush to their letter values to check mens names out? VERY FEW. This is a false teaching and man made interpretation of this verse.


This I agree with 100%.


Oh, dreamcatchers are evil, but a Hindu monkey amulet is okay for Obama :doh:I have 2 dreamcatchers, one in my house, and one hanging from my rear view mirror in my car. Only people with weak minds and weak faith look at these as evil. I look at them as Indian art like any other decoration that I own, not worship.

You are hilarious ^_^
I couldn't agree more BMN!!!! :D:thumbsup:
 
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Oh, dreamcatchers are evil, but a Hindu monkey amulet is okay for Obama :doh:I have 2 dreamcatchers, one in my house, and one hanging from my rear view mirror in my car. Only people with weak minds and weak faith look at these as evil. I look at them as Indian art like any other decoration that I own, not worship.

You are hilarious ^_^

Would'nt be so sure about the dreamcatcher.. Walter Vieth said it was demonic and caused absolute havok when he had it above his baby's cot.
 
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Would'nt be so sure about the dreamcatcher.. Walter Vieth said it was demonic and caused absolute havok when he had it above his baby's cot.
Perhaps he started worshipping and praying to it........As far as I know BMN did neither of thos and probably her life hasn't been "havok struck"
 
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Perhaps he started worshipping and praying to it........As far as I know BMN did neither of thos and probably her life hasn't been "havok struck"

no probably not.. i've got a statue of Lord Ganisha (the elephant) in the living room.. dosn't follow that he'll start drinking milk.. i dunno, maybe he would if i left milk out for him.
p.s i like your little video thing.. you cant keep a good man down..
 
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Would'nt be so sure about the dreamcatcher.. Walter Vieth said it was demonic and caused absolute havok when he had it above his baby's cot.
An object only has power if we give it to them...believe in them. Just like Satan doesn't have any power unless we give it to him. Jesus gave us power over the enemy. A dream catcher is just a lifeless object,
Luke 10:19 ~ Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
 
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An object only has power if we give it to them...believe in them. Just like Satan doesn't have any power unless we give it to him. Jesus gave us power over the enemy. A dream catcher is just a lifeless object,
Luke 10:19 ~ Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Here's a special gift, just for you Nana. It will open your heart and steal your dreams. Print it, cut it out and put it over your bed tonight.

http://c2.api.ning.com/files/iQHi-E...plQXVw6DiJEz4pwNhge/layer_pentagram_white.jpg

Your savior has arrived and your prayers have been answered, Nana. You'll find out later who answered them.:angel:
 
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The eyes of those who see will not be dim,
And the ears of those who hear will listen
. Isaiah 32:3

עצב `atsab: to hurt, pain, grieve, displease, vex, wrest, shape, fashion, make, form, stretch into shape, worship

The women also said,“And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”
Jeremiah 44:19

"I have 2 dreamcatchers, one in my house, and one hanging from my rear view mirror in my car. Only people with weak minds and weak faith look at these as evil. I look at them as Indian art like any other decoration that I own, not worship."

While those with seared consciences may not feel the grief of our Lord or see the harmful effects of such idolatry, these exist nonetheless.

6But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
7 However, not all believers know this. Some are accustomed to thinking of idols as being real, so when they eat food that has been offered to idols, they think of it as the worship of real gods, and their weak consciences are violated. 8 It’s true that we can’t win God’s approval by what we eat. We don’t lose anything if we don’t eat it, and we don’t gain anything if we do.
9 But you must be careful so that your freedom does not cause others with a weaker conscience to stumble. 10 For if others see you—with your “superior knowledge”—eating in the temple of an idol, won’t they be encouraged to violate their conscience by eating food that has been offered to an idol? 11 So because of your superior knowledge, a weak believer for whom Christ died will be destroyed. 12 And when you sin against other believers by encouraging them to do something they believe is wrong, you are sinning against Christ. 13 So if what I eat causes another believer to sin, I will never eat meat again as long as I live—for I don’t want to cause another believer to stumble. (1 cor. 8:6-13)

Only a Jezebel--a harlot of Babylon with a big, slanderous mouth and no ears to listen would callously ignore numerous warnings about such sinful and idolatrous behavior. Give such a person over to Satan so that her sinful nature is destroyed and she might one day repent of her spiritual idolatry.

Until that day of repentance, have NOTHING to do with such a person. Do not acknowledge her in any way, for her path leads to the grave. Pray that the light of Christ would shine and perhaps melt the ice of her jaded heart so she is free to love again with the gentleness of a dove. Amen.
 
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