Big Bang 'All from Nothing' Nonsense - Why Many Scientists Can Be Wrong

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The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?
 

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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing
A man named Pliny the Elder was one of the best read men of his age (ca. 60AD Rome). He speaks for the educated people of his culture in his encyclopedic "Natural History". He says gravity is heaven pushing us away.
 
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Hi FTacky, of course, we Christians believe in creatio ex nihilo as well (i.e. Hebrews 11:3), but we believe that the universe and all that is in it came into existence at the command of God, not spontaneously (which, if some of our scientists are correct, is to say that it came into being for no reason at all).

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The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?

I believe the creation story is true regarding it's intention but is essentially a layman's explanation for some thing that there would not have been enough time to explain fully; he would be still talking now after 6000 years and wouldn't be half finished. Besides if we knew everything we would have nothing to be curious about.

The Bible tells us all we need to know about why we need salvation, and how to get it.

At some point in time some scientists conclude that the universe is irrational, so there is a tendency today to revert back to metaphysics. The universe as I see it is totally dependant on entropy everything is slowly diminishing; the opposite to Darwin's theory; yet it appears to others that the universe is expanding; entropy is a fact of life so there must be a second force, equal and opposite to entropy that will one day produce an equilibrium or status quo.
 
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Our LDS friends take a somewhat different approach (an approach that has certainly been considered by our atheist scientists, BTW), believing that everything that now exists, has always existed. IOW, all matter/energy AND all "souls"* are from everlasting, just like the Bible tells us that God is (Psalms 90:2).

So God is most properly understood to be our, "Organizer", not our, "Creator", by the Latter Day Saints.

* - atheists would not consider "souls" to be from everlasting, of course, but have toyed with the idea that the universe, and all that is in it, is.
 
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The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?

mmmm.....I think that secular scientists aren't being straightforward with their semantics; and their notion of the universe having sprung from "n..o..t..h..i..n..g" is a new myth. What they really mean has been addressed by other secularists like Frank Close in his book, The Void, and by Christian apologists like John Jefferson Davies, in his book, The Frontiers of Science & Faith.

The trick here is to understand what these secular scientists actually mean by "nothing." It isn't what we normally think of as "nothing," so it is something. It's just not "something" according to what we think of as the usual physical properties of our world.

What I find interesting is that the concept of the Big Bang basically began with Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest, not a secular atheist.

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mmmm.....I think that secular scientists aren't being straightforward with their semantics; and their notion of the universe having sprung from "n..o..t..h..i..n..g" is a new myth.
Yeah. The idea that the visible universe sprang from a vacuum fluctuation is at least a real possibility, given what we know about physics. But a quantum mechanical vacuum is not really nothing.

The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).
This statement, on the other hand, is flat-out wrong. Matter is created all the time; I've participated in its creation myself. Any particle physicist has.
 
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The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?
When atheists say "nothing" in reference to the BB, they don't really mean "nothing", they really mean "something".
 
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Here's an interesting take on how God made the universe.

The video is fairly short....about 20 min with questions and Answers at the end.

A lot of interesting stuff but the science doesn't impress me; science is like religion, they get carried away and believe funny things, and trying to convince a scientific person that are wrong is the same as telling a religious person they are wrong.

When looking at the technology and definitions for atomic clocks I find that the atomic clock is called a "time scale"; but they also talk of time as though it has a physical existence which I dispute. Time is a measurement as length is a measurement and volume is a measurement and all use scales.

They say the atomic clock scale changes as gravity changes, changes as velocity changes and as temperature changes; they then explain the change as time change, as though time had a physical presence, not scale change. If a scale bends, buckles and warps in an intended environment then it is useless.

Considering the atomic clock scale that: changes as gravity changes, changes as velocity changes and as temperature changes; first we have to understand any clock does not measure time but rather expresses the measurement using a time scale; with a sun dial it is the rotation of the earth that is measured; with the wind up clock it is spring tension that is measured and with atomic clocks something warbling that is measured. If the effects of interference is constant the should be incorporated into the scale when needed but to say time warps or time slows down is a fallacy.
 
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Intriguing!

This topic fits with this other question that some sincere
modern thinkers are asking, that in my opinion, is a step in
the right direction.

Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
To which I might ask, perhaps did both matter and energy begin in intelligence?

It is always the same, whenever you have a pair, either may be assumed to be the first. Sun revolves around earth, or earth around sun? Gravity pulls toward, or heaven pushes away? Does time warp, or do the things measured change?

We see what we choose to see. Maybe corporate choice is all there is, or perhaps individual choice choosing to believe it is following corporate choice?
 
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A lot of interesting stuff but the science doesn't impress me; science is like religion, they get carried away and believe funny things, and trying to convince a scientific person that are wrong is the same as telling a religious person they are wrong.

When looking at the technology and definitions for atomic clocks I find that the atomic clock is called a "time scale"; but they also talk of time as though it has a physical existence which I dispute. Time is a measurement as length is a measurement and volume is a measurement and all use scales.

They say the atomic clock scale changes as gravity changes, changes as velocity changes and as temperature changes; they then explain the change as time change, as though time had a physical presence, not scale change. If a scale bends, buckles and warps in an intended environment then it is useless.

Considering the atomic clock scale that: changes as gravity changes, changes as velocity changes and as temperature changes; first we have to understand any clock does not measure time but rather expresses the measurement using a time scale; with a sun dial it is the rotation of the earth that is measured; with the wind up clock it is spring tension that is measured and with atomic clocks something warbling that is measured. If the effects of interference is constant the should be incorporated into the scale when needed but to say time warps or time slows down is a fallacy.

I found the video...theory...to be an intresting biblical based replacement for the big bang.

I don't think anything actually measures what it is trying to measure. A pressure gauge measures pressure by bending a bourdon tube. Temperature can be measured by the change of current through a resistor. Time really isn't much different.
 
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To which I might ask, perhaps did both matter and energy begin in intelligence?

It is always the same, whenever you have a pair, either may be assumed to be the first. Sun revolves around earth, or earth around sun? Gravity pulls toward, or heaven pushes away? Does time warp, or do the things measured change?

We see what we choose to see. Maybe corporate choice is all there is, or perhaps individual choice choosing to believe it is following corporate choice?

Intelligence is required for observation; observation did not precede intelligence; maybe I am wrong, maybe a worm observes without intelligence; maybe the universe is much more dense than man observes.

What science needs is reference points; with Einstein the reference points seem to have mobile; in the Judaeo/Christian religion the only reference point is the ten commandments and most throw them away.
 
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I found the video...theory...to be an intresting biblical based replacement for the big bang.

I don't think anything actually measures what it is trying to measure. A pressure gauge measures pressure by bending a bourdon tube. Temperature can be measured by the change of current through a resistor. Time really isn't much different.

Ultimately it is a question of reality and what that is; before any problem can be solved the problem has to have a rational definition; big bang attempts to solve a problem that is not rationally defined.
 
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Intelligence is required for observation

in the Judaeo/Christian religion the only reference point is the ten commandments
I have increased my intelligence greatly by things I have observed.

God is the first reference point.
 
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A man named Pliny the Elder was one of the best read men of his age (ca. 60AD Rome). He speaks for the educated people of his culture in his encyclopedic "Natural History". He says gravity is heaven pushing us away.

A dead group of people.
Lead goblets in Rome are 'Wine putting popular authors in their place'.
 
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To which I might ask, perhaps did both matter and energy begin in intelligence?

It is always the same, whenever you have a pair, either may be assumed to be the first. Sun revolves around earth, or earth around sun? Gravity pulls toward, or heaven pushes away? Does time warp, or do the things measured change?

We see what we choose to see. Maybe corporate choice is all there is, or perhaps individual choice choosing to believe it is following corporate choice?

Exceptionally well said Ken!

Yes...... matter seems to be Energy from Quantum Vaccuum... .compacted
and taken down to a lower level of vibration....... and intensity......

Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman's writings on this are some of the best...
in my opinion.
 
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