Biden's economic plan requires Socialism.

[OldWiseGuy]

The devil is in the details.

Biden’s Economic Picks Suggest Focus on Workers and Income Equality

 

[Strathos]

Guess what? Without "socialism" we wouldn't have publicly funded police and fire departments, roads, and utilities. Stop using "socialism" as a boogeyman for everything you don't like.

It's also pretty ironic how conservatives will go out of their way to defend everything the police do these days and paint liberals as hating the very idea of police, yet they don't seem to realize how the police department is about as "socialist" as you can get - controlled by the government and paid for with public tax money.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Guess what? Without "socialism" we wouldn't have publicly funded police and fire departments, roads, and utilities. Stop using "socialism" as a boogeyman for everything you don't like.

It's also pretty ironic how conservatives will go out of their way to defend everything the police do these days and paint liberals as hating the very idea of police, yet they don't seem to realize how the police department is about as "socialist" as you can get - controlled by the government and paid for with public tax money.

These services are more of a Constitutional duty to provide for the 'general welfare' than a broad socialist economic system.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Guess what? Without "socialism" we wouldn't have publicly funded police and fire departments, roads, and utilities. Stop using "socialism" as a boogeyman for everything you don't like.

It's also pretty ironic how conservatives will go out of their way to defend everything the police do these days and paint liberals as hating the very idea of police, yet they don't seem to realize how the police department is about as "socialist" as you can get - controlled by the government and paid for with public tax money.

I think you should both stop pretending socialism is about workers or income equality or providing basic public services. It is only about government control of the means of production. There is nothing about having police, fire departments, roads and utilities that in any way is unique to a socialist government.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think you should both stop pretending socialism is about workers or income equality or providing basic public services. It is only about government control of the means of production. There is nothing about having police, fire departments, roads and utilities that in any way is unique to a socialist government.

Biden's plan for expanding unions, economic equality and opportunity, will require a socialistic economic system. How else can the government provide full employment for everyone at high wages, and universal health insurance?

 

[Strathos]

I think you should both stop pretending socialism is about workers or income equality or providing basic public services. It is only about government control of the means of production. There is nothing about having police, fire departments, roads and utilities that in any way is unique to a socialist government.

Certain people like to cry socialism at any kind of law or policy that involves the government using tax money for anything. I'm just pointing out the logical consequences of that line of reasoning.

The chance of the US actually adopting a completely socialist economy is pretty much zero, considering that many northern European countries which are far, far to the left of US politics are still capitalist, just with reasonable social safety nets.

I'm not saying that too much socialism isn't bad, look at China and Vietnam. You get communism, and that's way too far. But it's a balance, like the temperature of water in a swimming pool. Too hot is a problem, but so is too cold. You want water you can comfortably swim in, but certain people complain that if the water is a few degrees hotter than they prefer then it might as well be boiling.

 

[Subduction Zone]

These services are more of a Constitutional duty to provide for the 'general welfare' than a broad socialist economic system.

Then you must be for single payer health care. Nothing could be better for the "general welfare" than a healthy population.

It is nice to see that we are making some progress.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Biden's plan for expanding unions, economic equality and opportunity, will require a socialistic economic system.

Oh my! A step backwards. How does ensuring equal opportunity require socialism? That is quite the claim.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Then you must be for single payer health care. Nothing could be better for the "general welfare" than a healthy population.

It is nice to see that we are making some progress.

I've seen the quality of healthcare provided by government-run institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by keeping the government out of it, for the most part.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've seen the quality of healthcare provided by government-run institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by keeping the government out of it, for the most part.

Really? So European health care is far worse than ours. Can you support this with anything but a biased opinion? You must have done quite a bit of traveling and investigation to come to this conclusion.

 

[Gene2memE]

The devil is in the details.

Biden’s Economic Picks Suggest Focus on Workers and Income Equality

Which parts, specifically, require socialism?

Because, all I'm seeing is a return to the 1960s in terms of labour policy, a return to the 1980s in terms of employment access, 1990s in terms of economic policy, and a return to the late 2000s in terms of energy policy.

Please define socalism for me, and then explain how any of the above requires it.

 

[Gene2memE]

I've seen the quality of healthcare provided by government-run institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by keeping the government out of it, for the most part.

And I've seen the cost of healthcare provided by private institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by the government both providing an alternative and intervening heavily in the market.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Which parts, specifically, require socialism?

Because, all I'm seeing is a return to the 1960s in terms of labour policy, a return to the 1980s in terms of employment access, 1990s in terms of economic policy, and a return to the late 2000s in terms of energy policy.

Please define socalism for me, and then explain how any of the above requires it.

Read this carefully (from the link).

"In a sign that Mr. Biden plans to focus on spreading economic wealth, his transition team put issues of equality and worker empowerment at the forefront of its news release announcing the nominees, saying they would help the incoming administration create an economy that gives every single person across America a fair shot and an equal chance to get ahead.”

A government created economy is by definition socialism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And I've seen the cost of healthcare provided by private institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by the government both providing an alternative and intervening heavily in the market.

They already do this through Medicare, Medicaid, and the ACA.

 

[pitabread]

I've seen the quality of healthcare provided by government-run institutions, and I think it's safe to say that the general welfare is better served by keeping the government out of it, for the most part.

You do know that the U.S. currently spends more than other developed countries re: health care, but doesn't get more service. Due to the layer of private health insurance you guys rely on, you end up getting less for your $ than other developed countries.

 

[pitabread]

They already do this through Medicare, Medicaid, and the ACA.

They just need to combine/expand into universal health insurance.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They just need to combine/expand into universal health insurance.

I'd have no problem with that if I can receive timely and quality medical services.

We pay more and get less by design. Doctors know that we won't follow their instructions so they've stopped giving advice useful for our health, instead they happily take our money and don't worry about it. We leave the doctor's office as ignorant about our health as when we walked in.

 

[dzheremi]

Read this carefully (from the link).

"In a sign that Mr. Biden plans to focus on spreading economic wealth, his transition team put issues of equality and worker empowerment at the forefront of its news release announcing the nominees, saying they would help the incoming administration create an economy that gives every single person across America a fair shot and an equal chance to get ahead.”

A government created economy is by definition socialism.

I agree! We should have more Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fires, not fewer! Get out of my free economy, dang gummymint!

 

[Larniavc]

The devil is in the details.

Biden’s Economic Picks Suggest Focus on Workers and Income Equality

That’s a good thing.

 

[Speedwell]

Read this carefully (from the link).

"In a sign that Mr. Biden plans to focus on spreading economic wealth, his transition team put issues of equality and worker empowerment at the forefront of its news release announcing the nominees, saying they would help the incoming administration create an economy that gives every single person across America a fair shot and an equal chance to get ahead.”

A government created economy is by definition socialism.

Wow! Are you ever reading too much into that.