Biden Not Doing Well With Regard To COVID

[renniks]

Well yes, but you are still not respecting their wishes. Same thing goes if a private property owner restaurant, movie anything asks you to produce a vaccine card to take part in that activity (whatever it is) and you do not have it or even if you do and you refuse to prove it they then have the right to either asks you to leave OR limit you in certain ways for example they can say then you have to eat outside.

It's my private information. If someone asks me, I'm going to ask for details about the restaurant managers medical history, and if he drinks and his love life.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Also my wife and I are the only " employees."

Again, you are free to require your employees to follow certain polices or not, but so are other businesses and a person either can follow those or not take part in that business. Likewise, employees who feel strongly enough about mandates are free to leave for places that do have them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's my private information. If someone asks me, I'm going to ask for details about the restaurant managers medical history, and if he drinks and his love life.

Again, you do not have to provide it you can leave, but those are your choices. It is legal because there is no third party involved and it is a public health issue. Now it is illegal for a healthcare worker to tell them on your behalf, however if there is no middle man there is nothing wrong (legally) with them asking if you ( general do not like it) you are free to refuse to tell them and try to do business elsewhere ( mandates are becoming more common.) That is freedom of choice you are free to not provide it and they are then free to tell you that you need to leave if you do not.

 

[cow451]

Being self employed doesn't work that way, most times. The only way to give myself a raise is to work harder... I do occasionally give myself a week off, but I think overall I've been the toughest boss to work for I've ever had.

Having been self-employed, I believe in the old saying that the two most overrated things in life are weddings and self-employment.

 

[renniks]

Again, you do not have to provide it you can leave, but those are your choices. It is legal because there is no third party involved and it is a public health issue. Now it is illegal for a healthcare worker to tell them on your behalf, however if there is no middle man there is nothing wrong (legally) with them asking if you ( general do not like it) you are free to refuse to tell them and try to do business elsewhere ( mandates are becoming more common.) That is freedom of choice you are free to not provide it and they are then free to tell you that you need to leave if you do not.

This sounds like a sure way to lose lots of customers... And restaurants have struggled enough already because of restrictions.

 

[cow451]

Also my wife and I are the only " employees."

Then, you aren't the boss after all.

 

[renniks]

Then, you aren't the boss after all.

Lol, I am for my part of the business.
But I certainly cannot make her produce products like I could with another employee, if she doesn't want to.

 

[dogs4thewin]

This sounds like a sure way to lose lots of customers... And restaurants have struggled enough already because of restrictions.

Except that the last stats about 2-3 weeks ago ( whenever I made those matching threads about vaccine mandates has found that better than half of all adult Americans 51% support that rule for indoor dining and 60% support mandates for a variety for a number of other indoors activities. This was a number of weeks ago, so I do not know what the numbers are now.

 

[renniks]

Except that the last stats about 2-3 weeks ago ( whenever I made those matching threads about vaccine mandates has found that better than half of all adult Americans 51% support that rule for indoor dining and 60% support mandates for a variety for a number of other indoors activities. This was a number of weeks ago, so I do not know what the numbers are now.

If you believe manufactured stats.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you believe manufactured stats.

Why do you feel those are not actuate? I am not saying that you are wrong I am asking you what makes you think those stats are false.

 

[Vylo]

If you believe manufactured stats.

not manufactured, you just might not live in an area or have people around you that support it.

in my own circle of friends and family it would be close to 100%, and 100% are vaccinated.

 

[FredVB]

Vaccination mandates will bring further discrimination between people, in ways that have happened before. And it is valid to ask about those vulnerable with "comorbidities". If they have a likelihood of getting so sick they could die from being vaccinated, that is no better for them, when they might have lived a very great deal longer. Who would be accountable for their dying? No one would have to take responsibility, with a universal mandate.

Let me think now.
If you don't have the vaccine there is a 100% chance of catching COVID if you are exposed to it.
If you have the vaccine there is a 10% chance of catching COVID if you are exposed to it.
The maths really isn't that difficult.

That math does not sound right for my case to me. I stay isolated as much as I can and avoid closeness to others. I keep my mask on when I go out. I won't change that. Meanwhile herd immunity is expected, and COVID 19 is not always as likely to remain as much a risk.

I am vulnerable with breathing issues now, there is more risk from a vaccine to me now, and there is not as much risk with continuing precautions.

I see statistics for comorbidity of underlying conditions with COVID 19. But what addresses the comorbidity with vaccinations? Deaths following vaccinations, which really happen, are blamed on underlying conditions, what number or percentage of those with underlying conditions still survive after vaccinations for COVID? Without any number of that we can just know those with underlying conditions getting vaccinated for COVID will die following that. Even with a known percentage of those surviving, the higher risk to life, with vaccination, is really undesirable. Using any precautions otherwise against exposure to COVID continuously still is really preferable.

 

[cow451]

I see statistics for comorbidity of underlying conditions with COVID 19. But what addresses the comorbidity with vaccinations?

Take every comorbidity with the vaccine and multiply by ten. Those are what getting COVID provides. And that's a conservative estimate.

Precautions AND vaccination gives you the best protection. Who said it was either-or?

 

[FredVB]

Take every comorbidity with the vaccine and multiply by ten. Those are what getting COVID provides. And that's a conservative estimate.

Precautions AND vaccination gives you the best protection. Who said it was either-or?

Forget that. Maybe it does not matter to you that some die after being given the vaccine. There is no guarantee and there is no accountability from the company's behind the vaccines, who will not be held liable regardless, and who do not have to show what is in the vaccines. There is nothing you or any can do for me when I would worsen and die after being vaxxed. There is still a lot I can do and would continue doing, to protect my vulnerable self from exposure to such threat. I already know just a cold can seriously worsen me. For years after my diagnosis I have taken what steps I can to protect myself and keep from worsening, while calling on God's help. It should be my choice and there should be no mandate overriding it! This would go for others too.

 

[cow451]

Forget that. Maybe it does not matter to you that some die after being given the vaccine. There is no guarantee and there is no accountability from the company's behind the vaccines, who will not be held liable regardless, and who do not have to show what is in the vaccines. There is nothing you or any can do for me when I would worsen and die after being vaxxed. There is still a lot I can do and would continue doing, to protect my vulnerable self from exposure to such threat. I already know just a cold can seriously worsen me. For years after my diagnosis I have taken what steps I can to protect myself and keep from worsening, while calling on God's help. It should be my choice and there should be no mandate overriding it! This would go for others too.

Everything and I mean everything in medicine and healthcare is risk vs benefit. If you want a 100% guarantee of anything you need not live on this planet. The data is clearly in favor of vaccination for almost everyone. Period.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Forget that. Maybe it does not matter to you that some die after being given the vaccine. There is no guarantee and there is no accountability from the company's behind the vaccines, who will not be held liable regardless, and who do not have to show what is in the vaccines. There is nothing you or any can do for me when I would worsen and die after being vaxxed. There is still a lot I can do and would continue doing, to protect my vulnerable self from exposure to such threat. I already know just a cold can seriously worsen me. For years after my diagnosis I have taken what steps I can to protect myself and keep from worsening, while calling on God's help. It should be my choice and there should be no mandate overriding it! This would go for others too.

The ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY part is the most concerning. If you (looking at YOU, Pfizer and Moderna and the others - we know that J&J has already been discredited, though millions took it) have convincing data that it is safe, then stand behind it. We all know that it has already been approved as "Comirnaty", yet no one is making it yet because the goal is hide behind the EUA shield as long as possible.

 

[FredVB]

Maybe it does not matter to you that some die after being given the vaccine. There is no guarantee and there is no accountability from the company's behind the vaccines, who will not be held liable regardless, and who do not have to show what is in the vaccines. There is nothing you or any can do for me when I would worsen and die after being vaxxed. There is still a lot I can do and would continue doing, to protect my vulnerable self from exposure to such threat. I already know just a cold can seriously worsen me. For years after my diagnosis I have taken what steps I can to protect myself and keep from worsening, while calling on God's help. It should be my choice and there should be no mandate overriding it! This would go for others too.

Everything and I mean everything in medicine and healthcare is risk vs benefit. If you want a 100% guarantee of anything you need not live on this planet. The data is clearly in favor of vaccination for almost everyone. Period.

I find news of individuals coming down with COVID yet many of those I learn of are vaccinated, they still get sick from it. This is besides the part of getting sick right after the vaccine anyway. With my lung issue, which I have managed to take care of with being very careful, for years, if I get sick with anything affecting air passages it would seriously shorten my life. Others have this same issue as well. And I was not living in any sort of way that would acquire this condition. Why should I go through the process that I know already will get me that sick, and I would still be vulnerable to COVID anyway, when I can avoid it as I have been doing? Yes, I stay home a lot, and when I do go out for things when I need to, I still keep distance from others and keep a facemask on. That is not more risk to me. Vaccines are absolutely dangerous to those with my condition.

Don't tell me I should not live on this planet, for not getting a vaccine now. It should not be mandated. Mind Your Own Business, whether I get it or not is not your concern.

The ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY part is the most concerning. If you (looking at YOU, Pfizer and Moderna and the others - we know that J&J has already been discredited, though millions took it) have convincing data that it is safe, then stand behind it. We all know that it has already been approved as "Comirnaty", yet no one is making it yet because the goal is hide behind the EUA shield as long as possible.

 

[variant]

???

The leaders in 40 other countries have figured out that they need to do more than plead with the public to get vaccinated.

My guess is that there were those in every one of those 40 countries who didn't want to be vaccinated. If Portugal can have 85% of its citizens fully vaccinated, then just PERHAPS the US might do better.

At some point we should stop pleading with people. There's no way to reach the irrational.

 

[FredVB]

“On January 12, 2018, Ali called me “Maa” again and by that time she started to remember a few words again. She waved at someone at the hospital and said “hello” after three months. I was so happy that she was getting better and we will soon be going home. Still scared, but was hopeful. By noon, Ali started to seize again and that was the end of her little life. She seized through the rest of the January, February, and until March 26th 2018, the day she died. Ali died in my arms in a fairy garden at the hospital. I held a very cold stiff body of my baby — instead of a warm, soft, wriggly baby. But no one dared to call it or admit that the MMR Vaccine killed my baby.”
http://bit.ly/DeadAfterMMR-Vaccine

Over 1,135,000 COVID vaccine injuries reported to VAERS including:

24,400 deaths
27,800 life-threatening events
34,500 myocarditis/pericarditis
40,000 severe allergic reactions
44,500 permanently disabled
120,00 urgent care visits
133,000 hospitalizations
176,000 Dr office visits

Another response to a serious vaccine effect...
I can see this as legit. My youngest who got the jab and boosted has had tinnitus since the first jab. His doctor sent him to the ENT specialist and he could not find any physical reason for it. Buried Halfway Into a 40-Page Report, WHO Reveals New Vaccine Side-Effect Many Have Yet to Recover From

Exclusive: 34-Year-Old Died After Pfizer Shot, Mother Shares ‘Ridiculous’ Letters From CDC

 

[Mayzoo]

“On January 12, 2018, Ali called me “Maa” again and by that time she started to remember a few words again. She waved at someone at the hospital and said “hello” after three months. I was so happy that she was getting better and we will soon be going home. Still scared, but was hopeful. By noon, Ali started to seize again and that was the end of her little life. She seized through the rest of the January, February, and until March 26th 2018, the day she died. Ali died in my arms in a fairy garden at the hospital. I held a very cold stiff body of my baby — instead of a warm, soft, wriggly baby. But no one dared to call it or admit that the MMR Vaccine killed my baby.”
MMR Vaccine Causes Loss Of Speech & Appetite, Horrendous Seizures and Then Her Death

Over 1,135,000 COVID vaccine injuries reported to VAERS including:

24,400 deaths
27,800 life-threatening events
34,500 myocarditis/pericarditis
40,000 severe allergic reactions
44,500 permanently disabled
120,00 urgent care visits
133,000 hospitalizations
176,000 Dr office visits

Another response to a serious vaccine effect...
I can see this as legit. My youngest who got the jab and boosted has had tinnitus since the first jab. His doctor sent him to the ENT specialist and he could not find any physical reason for it. Buried Halfway Into a 40-Page Report, WHO Reveals New Vaccine Side-Effect Many Have Yet to Recover From

Exclusive: 34-Year-Old Died After Pfizer Shot, Mother Shares ‘Ridiculous’ Letters From CDC

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A doctor cannot rule out the risks of cardiac issues for a sports physical unless they perform an EKG and lab work. You cannot just look at someone and say, "yeah you're good" or the coach could just do that. The covid vaccine should not be relevant to whether they do blood work and EKG. That is what the student is there for--a cardiac evaluation and physical.