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Biden Leading Trump in the Polls!

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark kennedy, Apr 30, 2019.

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  1. FenderTL5

    FenderTL5 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am not a Democrat, I was a Republican until 2002.
    I'm not a big fan of VP Biden. I will be disappointed in the party of the donkey if he is the nominee over fresh ideas and enthusiasm.
    otoh, I think I'd vote for a literal jackass over the current occupant of the White House.
     
  2. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    His biggest obstacle to getting elected is his past words and actions.

    Iow himself.
     
  3. Tiberius Lee

    Tiberius Lee Active Member

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    Joe will win 2020 election if he stick with his centrist position. If he try to move to the left and start taking position like “ Medicare for all”, “ free education for all” and anti-trade policy , he will end up loosing just like HRC.
     
  4. New Birth

    New Birth Well-Known Member

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    Uncle Biden doesn't stand a chance of beating Trump. Biden already ran for Pres twice and lost. He's washed up and not communist enough for the uber libs to support him.
     
  5. wonderkins

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    But isn't that kind of the natural progression? With how democrats and liberals have been behaving the last couple years, biden might have no choice but to go farther left.
     
  6. Speedwell

    Speedwell Well-Known Member

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    He might do that anyway, just by standing still. Back when I was in college, I was a staunch conservative and a registered Republican. Since then I have become a liberal Democrat, mainly by not changing my political opinions very much since then.
     
  7. MyChainsAreGone

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    He's been rumored to run for much longer than that, though, so they've been polling about a potential Trump/Biden match-up for a long time.

    The Dems are desperate to find anyone with the slightest chance of beating Trump.
     
  8. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran Star Power!

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    Not to mention the fact that Anita Hill won't forgive him: How Joe Biden could make me start forgiving him for Anita Hill (first, stop touching)

    I wonder if Clarence Thomas would forgive him. After all, he's the one who was falsely accused.
     
  9. MyChainsAreGone

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    Joe Biden has a chance to win the Dem nomination... IF...

    IF... he is willing to NOT go down the liberal/socialist/leftist road.

    It might be nigh on impossible for him to actually do that, but if he's willing and able to distinguish himself from the radical left who have pretty successfully made themselves the "voice" of the Dem party, he'll find that there are a LOT of Democrats that are uncomfortable with the insanity that has taken over their party, and they would throw their support and primary votes to him.

    It is not PC to oppose the radical left inside the Dem party right now, so no one is speaking up. But any candidate that had the gall to do so would win the nomination... at least that's my prediction.

    Furthermore, ONLY the Dem candidate who distances him/herself from that lunacy will stand even the remotest chance to beat Trump.
     
  10. A Realist

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    And I think he'll find that there are a lot of Republicans who are tired of the insanity in their party also.

    There are more than a few Republicans like me, who have never voted for a Democrat for President, that will be willing to vote for a centrist to get our current White House occupant ousted.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
  11. SimplyMe

    SimplyMe Senior Veteran

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    The polls in the 2016 election were actually accurate -- to point that out for the millionth time on this forum. Clinton won the popular vote, just like the polls said she would. The polls don't do "electoral college" math, the merely show the total percentage that say they will vote for each candidate -- and again, they were within their margins of error.

    Then again, we are 18 months away from the election and a lot can change. The polls are likely to be "roller coasters," with various candidates up and down, from now until November 2020. I remember in 1991, all the pollsters and commentators claimed that Bush had reelection locked up. But, after his supermarket "gaffe" (where he seemed not to know about checkout scanners) and the "no new taxes" broken promise, he lost in 1992. Again, a lot can and will happen in the next 18 months.
     
  12. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    I don't see a reason to vote for him and I won't vote for him if he doesn't come up with an acceptable platform. I'll only vote for someone who stands for most of what I want them to stand for.

    With Biden - what's the difference between him and Trump, really? He's nicer? He doesn't want people to have healthcare so he's my enemy as much as Trump.
     
  13. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    I think Biden has a real chance as the right seems to continually underestimate him. I still remember the debates during Obama's second run. Obama had dropped the ball pretty badly during his first debate...looking unprepared and generally indecisive. The GOP was practically celebrating the upcoming debate of Biden and Paul Ryan, since they spent the last 4 years making him look foolish. That changed quickly when Biden dominated Ryan and made it look like he was lost.

    Anyone writing off Biden early risks embarrassing themselves. All he needs to do is get past the younger hardcore left's racist hate towards old white men and deliver them vague promises about the nonsense they prioritize like reparations and social justice and he's got a real shot.
     
  14. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    You mean their "racist hate towards old white men" like Bernie Sanders? Really??? LOL!!!!
     
  15. MyChainsAreGone

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    Wow... that's not how I remember that debate.

    What I remember is that Biden came off like an insipid fool... laughing at Ryan rather than offering substantive arguments for his position.

    Ridicule is not evidence...
    If Biden can successfully ignore the rabid left... despite their incessant and loud punishment of all who disagree with them, then I think he'd end up winning every primary in every state... and get the nomination.

    If he stood up and said,
    • No, Socialism is not good for America.
    • No, the world will not end in 10 years due to climate change.
    • No, Reparations are not a "fair" way to equalize opportunity for black Americans.
    • And distance himself from other radical leftist ideals
    I think he'd win the nomination running away. Then once he has the nomination, and the leftists realize that he's their only hope to unseat Trump, they'll get right on board and vote for him in the General election.

    Even then, I don't think that Trump is beatable, honestly. But I do think that Biden is probably their best shot.
     
  16. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Dems always lead every year before an election year when there is a GOP president. This isn't news.
     
  17. Albion

    Albion Facilitator

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    The early indicators are that he cannot or will not do that, however. Already he is trying to answer questions about his views on these controversial issues by suggesting that he agrees with the far left rather than opposing its political platform.

    And the more that his past is raised--such as with the Anita Hill testimony--the more he seems likely to distance himself from everything he stood for then. Being elderly, he naturally wants not to be seen as incapable of relating to current trends.
     
  18. Apologetic_Warrior

    Apologetic_Warrior Pilgrim

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    I thought this to be an interesting article/video: Steve Hilton: Joe Biden should be called 'Joe China' - and never be allowed near the White House again

    It's fuzzy now but thinking back I can almost recall him receiving criticism in the media years ago for; "Literally, billions of dollars paid over by the Chinese government to Biden companies when Joe Biden was vice president and when Joe Biden went soft on China." Must be the political amnesia setting in already, judging by the polls, I'm probably not the only one. The obstacles of being a lifelong establishment politician, might be a bit much to overcome, after the media refreshes memories.
     
  19. super animator

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    "MyChainsAreGone" says:

    • No, Socialism is not good for America.
    10 bucks says you don't know what socialism is.
    • No, the world will not end in 10 years due to climate change.
    but doing nothing about it won't fix it.
    • No, Reparations are not a "fair" way to equalize opportunity for black Americans.
    it still an issue that needs to be address.
    • And distance himself from other radical leftist ideals
    What other "radical" ideals?
     
  20. MyChainsAreGone

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    I agree... I don't think he'll be able to do avoid bowing to the leftists, and they still will not choose him, even if he bows to them. Not bowing is his only way to win, though. I don't think the left realizes that by radicalizing the national Dem party, they are giving the next 4 years to a Trump presidency.

    I also don't see any one of the other candidates rising to the top of the field. Some have suggested that Kamala Harris has the best shot... and I think they might be right. She's relatively young, female, and non-white... and she's pretty articulate while not being a "shouter" like Mr. Sparticus.
     
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