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Biden Introduces American Families Plan

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Apr 28, 2021.

  1. SummerMadness

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    Biden Details $1.8 Trillion Plan for Workers, Students and Families
     
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  3. Gene Parmesan

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    I wonder if all of that aid going toward childcare being affordable and accessible could lead to lower abortion rates as more potential mothers/parents realize they could have the means to care for a child.
     
  4. trunks2k

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    The cost of childcare is crazy. Wife and I both work full time - sending our two kids to day care costs a bit under $24000/yr in total. And that's for reasonably priced day care in our area. And we're not super picky about daycare either, so it's not like we're paying a premium for some amazing day care.

    Just one more year of my eldest going to day care.... so close...
     
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  5. Gene Parmesan

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    When we had our second kid, we realized that one of us was basically working to put both of our kids in daycare. It was madness. So we decided my wife should stay home during that time (only because I was making a bit more). So expensive.
     
  6. Oneiric1975

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    ...I dunno about all this "taking care of American citizens and infrastructure". It will be a strange kind of reality for us. We should probably stop thinking about all this "society" stuff, lest we fall out of favor with the god on our money (Mammon presumably).

    Can't we just focus on taking care of the ultrawealthy some more?
     
  7. Arcangl86

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    That is absurd. I payed less than that per year for college.
     
  8. Belk

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    My understanding is this is a huge factor in why women choose abortions. I can't help but think it would have a large impact on the abortion numbers.
     
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  9. Fantine

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    The Trump tax cuts were misguided and only the wealthiest got any significant benefit.

    When allowable deductions are factored in, United States corporate taxes prior to Trump's misguided 2017 tax cuts were not out-of-line with other industrialized nations and did not put us at a competitive disadvantage.

    What hurts businesses and corporations most is the lack of a middle class, the lack of educated and skilled workers, etc.

    I sometimes think of my Guatemala mission experience. One day we took a side trip to the "tablon," a squatters village. The last thing you saw before roads, electricity, running water, heat, broadband connections, etc. disappeared was a coffee plant, and the owner's lavish home with pool, tennis courts, mansion, completely gated off....

    Would you want to live there, knowing that your "neighbors" built houses out of trash bags and sheet metal and had no education for their children, utilities, water, etc. ?

    We aren't there....yet....but income inequality is unacceptably high, and at some point soon businesses will lose customers and have a hard time finding skilled workers.

    How shortsighted the greedy "me-firsters" are...
     
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  10. trunks2k

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    It's 24,000 combined. Roughly $1000/month for each kiddo.
     
  11. grasping the after wind

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    Why would there be any negotiations with the GOP?
     
  12. mark46

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    The negotiations are with Manchin. How many trillions will he vote for as a representative of a state that is 70% conservative?

    He's approved the COVID plus trillions law. He will be the key in the negotiations on infrastructure. What's another couple of trillion? IMO, ALL of this will need to be paid for, and I do NOT see a majority of Congress voting for more tax increase, after the tax increases associated with the infrastructure bill.

    An NO, this will not help Manchin vote to end the filibuster.
     
  13. mark46

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    Do you think that it will work to raise taxes on the rich and corporations by over $4T as has been proposed (to fund infrastructure and the new bill)?

     
  14. Fantine

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    Over 1 trillion per year was caused by Trump's tax cuts. By taking that back, even if we spend 1 trillion per year we won't be any worse off.

    And remember, the cost of the bill usually covers up to 10 years.
     
  15. LockeeDeck

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    The majority is slim enough that some political trading would be required to get this passed.
     
  16. mala

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    if you're not picky about day care just find a tree stump and just buy some leashes. i mean what are they gonna do about it?
     
  17. mark46

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    fair enough

    I have no problem if both bills are paid for by reversing the tax cuts.

    However, I don't that there is enough support for returning the corporate tax back to where it was.
     
  18. Andrewn

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  19. Tiberius Lee

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    Democrat has to pass this alone. GOP will not support any of this. Good evangelical Christian truly care about “baby” in the womb , but once the baby is born, they care more about the $$$ then the baby! So don’t hold your breath that any of them would like idea about child care or education or family leave to take care infant.
     
  20. Arcangl86

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    I know. I still payed less than that for college. I payed about 8k a year.
     
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