Biden insults black voters

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I know what would happen.

1. He'd first deny he ever said it.
   
2. Then, when a video appeared, he'd have one of his spokesmen claim "he was being sarcastic."
3. Then he'd blame it on Obama.

What he usually does.



He is mentally unable to apologize. He first denies things like that, and then has a surrogate try to pass it off as a joke, and then, if that doesn't work, blames it on other people.



Since Biden has said he was wrong and apologized, even Biden isn't giving Biden a pass. This may be a really hard idea for you to get, but if someone messes up, owns up to it, and apologizes, they are actually more credible than someone who messes up, lies about it, sends someone else to lie about it, and then look for someone to take the blame.

But it's true. Trust me. Your approach makes Biden look like the good guy here, because he admitted it and took responsibility. He still deserves critcism for what he said.

Can you provide one quote from Donald Trump in context that is remotely close to being as racist as suggesting that black trump supporters "ain't black".

 

[hedrick]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black." I don't think it's clear that he meant that there were black people who really weren't black. Rather, given the rather negative views of most black folks about Trump, if a person favors Trump, they probably aren't black.

I think it's pretty silly to make a big deal of this kind of off-hand remark. Even when it's made by Trump. Trump has said lots of silly things that he clearly didn't mean the way they were taken. The problem is that this only represents like half of the things Trump has said that are problems.

 

[Bobber]

Biden's tendency to speak his mind has often gotten him in trouble. Not as often as Trump's tendency to make up false stories has gotten Trump in trouble, but still it's there.

Truman was like that, too. Unlike Trump, Biden knows how to admit his failing and apologize when he should. You may have noticed that when Trump messes up, he never apologizes and seeks a scapegoat.

Ah not really too sure about that. Has he ever apologized for stonewalling the public and YES even the press concerning questions about his son when it came to Burisma? He leaves the impression at times you don't even have a right to challenge him about anything. This latest fell right in line with that....if you don't vote for me you can forget about your heritage.

As for apologies in politics anyway I don't take too seriously whether one does give one or whether they don't. If you give one people who hate you will just continue on and saying you're not sincere. And sometimes you shouldn't even have to give one for people are making mountains out of moehills for political purposes. The main thing listen to what a politician says and ask yourself how what they say resonates with you. Even without an apology is it really such a big deal or not.

 

[ZNP]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black." I don't think it's clear that he meant that there were black people who really weren't black. Rather, given the rather negative views of most black folks about Trump, if a person favors Trump, they probably aren't black.

I think it's pretty silly to make a big deal of this kind of off-hand remark. Even when it's made by Trump. Trump has said lots of silly things that he clearly didn't mean the way they were taken. The problem is that this only represents like half of the things Trump has said that are problems.

I have no issue with people raising up some of those comments "some are rapist, many are good people" comment, the "I like hero's who aren't captured" or the way he insulted the family of the man killed in combat. I agree 100% that those comments should be evaluated, examined and remembered.

What I have an issue with is the same people who will rake Trump over the coals for the things that he has said telling us to ignore the things Biden says or else we are "scapegoating". It is deplorable.

 

[Bobber]

I think it's pretty silly to make a big deal of this kind of off-hand remark. Even when it's made by Trump.

I somewhat agree. What's more interesting to watch though is how the mainstream media will cut one a lot of slack and minimize dumb statements for one.....but they don't do it for somebody else.

 

[ZNP]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black."

“I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” he said.

The word was "ain't not aren't". It is as though he thinks a real black person would use ain't instead of aren't.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black." I don't think it's clear that he meant that there were black people who really weren't black. Rather, given the rather negative views of most black folks about Trump, if a person favors Trump, they probably aren't black.

I think it's pretty silly to make a big deal of this kind of off-hand remark. Even when it's made by Trump. Trump has said lots of silly things that he clearly didn't mean the way they were taken. The problem is that this only represents like half of the things Trump has said that are problems.

Hedrick...Biden practically called black Trump supporters the main character from a Harriet Beecher Stowe novel published in 1852.

 

[Bobber]

“I tell you if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” he said.

The word was "ain't not aren't". It is as though he thinks a real black person would use ain't instead of aren't.

That is actually interesting. Why did he say "ain't" instead of aren't. I think that's a fair question to ask him, "Do you always use the word or if we did a study would we find that you just used it on this one occasion?" Of course the question would probably be balked at with a statement like, "Come on man!" but I do think it's fair to be asked.

It reminds me of a week or so ago when Trump said to an American of Chinese decent to go and ask China about a certain thing but the mainstream never gave him the benefit of the doubt. CNN's Wolf Blitzer said, "A very ugly, ugly ending to that one-hour appearance by the President in the Rose Garden"

President Trump abruptly ends press conference after contentious exchange with reporters - CNN

So maybe someone can provide me a link from CNN which says what Biden just said was a pretty ugly thing to say? All many of are saying is that we're looking consistency.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Powerful words from Candance Owens condemning the very thing Biden was pushing.

 

[The Barbarian]

What an ugly, despicable question. I am not a Trump supporter. I didn't vote for him. I simply recognize that based on our election he is the President and I am disgusted with those who ignore how deplorable Hillary Clinton was and dismiss anyone who would vote for trump as either despicable or in need of our sympathy.

As you just learned, Hillary Clinton didn't do that. She called white nationalists and KKK members "deplorable." They are. The rest of his supporters, she called people who are not doing well and looking for a change, for which she expressed empathy. Empathy is not sympathy. It is wrong to change what people said. I'm sure you didn't mean to do that, but you should be careful.

Really, half? I guess that is "a fraction".

Why yes, it is a fraction.

It's not what he said. And since he said that what he actually did say was wrong, and apologized, you seem to be reaching pretty far. Wouldn't it be great to have a president again, who was man enough to admit it when he was wrong, instead of trying to find a scapegoat?

Wow, well that takes campaigning and choosing a president to a whole new level.

It's the way it used to be. Reagan admitted mistakes, so did Clinton, and Bush. All of them were men enough to admit it. Trump lacks the manhood to do that. Instead he lies about it, and if that doesn't work, tries to blame others for his failures.

We don't care what the candidates say or think as long as when it blows up in their face they apologize?

I don't believe anyone said they didn't care. I'm just pointing out that Americans respect a leader who, when he messes up, admits it and apologizes. This is why Trump is losing support; he's emotionally unable to do that. Most Americans are planning on voting for Biden not because he never messes up, but because, unlike Trump, he admits it when he messes up.

Well that casts a whole new light on those who are voting for Biden.

American values. It can be that way again.

(Barbarian points out that AVID has been very successful in helping kids from poor backgrounds without parents who went to college, successfully graduate from college)

[QUOTE ]Wow, you are exceedingly arrogant. I am a HS teacher who teaches inner city youth.[/quote]

When I retired from my first career, I became a science teacher. Did that for 18 years, teaching into my 70s. I was on the school AVID team. And I know first-hand how it works and how successful it is. Sorry that you don't. If your school lacks that program, my sympathy for the kids.

But what you are clearly not aware of because you have hit this topic very superficially is there are schools that perform as well as the very best schools in the country and yet they are composed of these inner city kids of color whose parents are not, for the most part, college graduates.

My school for example. But our success rate went way up after we established an AVID program. Maybe you should learn about it,and how it works. You could be doing something very helpful for your students.

If you did well, good on you. But use some sense. You don't know it all. To the day I retired, I was still learning how to be a better teacher. You should be doing that, too. AVID can help. Look into it. As you just learned, Biden had exactly the right take on why inner city kids form poor families aren't as successful as they could be.

And it's not that hard to change that. Even really good teachers can still learn to be better teachers. Consider it.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Since Biden has said he was wrong and apologized, even Biden isn't giving Biden a pass. This may be a really hard idea for you to get, but if someone messes up, owns up to it, and apologizes, they are actually more credible than someone who messes up, lies about it, sends someone else to lie about it, and then look for someone to take the blame.

Just wanted to come back to this for a second. Did you really just suggest that if Trump said "Sorry", all would be forgiven?

 

[ZNP]

As you just learned, Hillary Clinton didn't do that. She called white nationalists and KKK members "deplorable." They are.

50% are KKK? Really?

The rest of his supporters, she called people who are not doing well and looking for a change, for which she expressed empathy. Empathy is not sympathy. It is wrong to change what people said. I'm sure you didn't mean to do that, but you should be careful.

If you are empathizing with someone who is not doing well that is sympathy. So what happened to the big business wing of the Republican party, none of them voted for Trump? The only people who voted for him were KKK and white trailer trash? What about Christians who felt the election was all about the Supreme court nominations? Stop making excuses for Clinton.

Wouldn't it be great to have a president again, who was man enough to admit it when he was wrong, instead of trying to find a scapegoat?

Are you asking me what I think?

It's the way it used to be. Reagan admitted mistakes, so did Clinton, and Bush. All of them were men enough to admit it. Trump lacks the manhood to do that. Instead he lies about it, and if that doesn't work, tries to blame others for his failures.

This thread is not about Trump. Clinton was peripheral because Biden's derogatory comment about who would and would not vote for Trump is very similar to what Clinton said. But yes, it would be nice if those rabid Biden supporters would admit that not only was he wrong but the thought shows an ugly pattern.

 

[Sistrin]

Why would you say that? Did Hillary say that? Show us a checkable link.

The ultimate minimalist strikes again.

 

[Sistrin]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black." I don't think it's clear that he meant that there were black people who really weren't black. Rather, given the rather negative views of most black folks about Trump, if a person favors Trump, they probably aren't black.

You are making the same monolithic "stay on the plantation" argument as Biden. Not really surprising.

 

[The Barbarian]

Why would you say that? Did Hillary say that? Show us a checkable link.

The ultimate minimalist strikes again.

Nobody else can show us, either. We all know why. You just put a sharper point on it. Thank you.

 

[The Barbarian]

As I recall, he said "if you favor Trump, you aren't black." I don't think it's clear that he meant that there were black people who really weren't black. Rather, given the rather negative views of most black folks about Trump, if a person favors Trump, they probably aren't black.

It's true enough that if you're given the information that a person is pro-Trump, there's a pretty good probability that he's white. But that doesn't mean all blacks dislike Trump. If you're wealthy, powerful and black, you might actually like Trump, because Trump looks out for the wealthy and powerful.

 

[The Barbarian]

50% are KKK? Really?

I don't think so. She actually said racist, but I think she exaggerated. (Barbarian checks)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html

More than I thought, but still not 50%.

If you are empathizing with someone who is not doing well that is sympathy.

No. Words mean things.
Sympathy is a shared feeling, usually of sorrow, pity or compassion for another person. You show concern for another person when you feel sympathy for them. ... Empathy is stronger than sympathy. It is the ability to put yourself in the place of another and understand someone else's feelings by identifying with them.
What's the Difference Between Sympathy and Empathy?

The only people who voted for him were KKK and white trailer trash?

Not according to Hillary Clinton. And she was right. While white nationalists did their "Hail Trump" salutes:
Alt-right leader: 'Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!'
Alt-right leader: 'Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!' - CNNPolitics

And the KKK did a victory parade for Trump:
KKK parades through Roxboro for ‘Trump victory’
KKK parades through Roxboro for 'Trump victory'

As Hillary Clinton said, a lot of Trump voters were not racists. Do you disagree?

 

[The Barbarian]

Just wanted to come back to this for a second. Did you really just suggest that if Trump said "Sorry", all would be forgiven?

If, for example, he said "I was wrong to say that most Mexican immigrants are rapist and drug dealers. I apologize for my statement", that would have a huge beneficial effect for him in the Hispanic community. George W. Bush liked and respect Hispanics, and a large number of them voted for him.

If Trump were to renounce his racist claims, I think he'd see more Hispanics and yes, other voters generally become inclined to vote for him.

 

[The Barbarian]

Ah not really too sure about that. Has he ever apologized for stonewalling the public and YES even the press concerning questions about his son when it came to Burisma?

Since there were no crimes involved according to Ukraine and Trump's own Justice Department, not sure what that's about. Yes, Hunter Biden did apologize and say he was wrong to even give the impression of some kind of corruption. As you know, Joe Biden was not involved in any of that.

He leaves the impression at times you don't even have a right to challenge him about anything.

If so, it's odd that he acknowledged his comments were wrong, and apologized for them. Wouldn't it be great if Trump had the manhood to do that?

If you give one people who hate you will just continue on and saying you're not sincere.

Of course. Biden's acknowledgement that he was wrong and his apology pretty much ruined a perfectly good republican narrative. So the fallback plan is "he doesn't mean it."

 

[The Barbarian]

Can you provide one quote from Donald Trump in context that is remotely close to being as racist as suggesting that black trump supporters "ain't black".

“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it," Trump told John R. O'Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O'Donnell's account in his 1991 book "Trumped!" "The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day."

Trump, according to O'Donnell, went on to say, "'Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that."

In an interview with Playboy in 1999, Trump remarked that "[t]he stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."
The 15 most offensive things that have come out of Trump’s mouth

(Warning, site includes some really awful language by Donald Trump)