In other words both sides are right but you just choose to believe Jesus is God, even though the other side is right too.
You've ignored the scriptures he gave which prove Jesus is not god, so you can say Jesus is god. Everyone has ignored, and most probably will continue to ignore, thescriptures Toxic posted. There is no debate when one side ignores anything the other side says. this is a debate forum. toxic quoted this scripture amongst many others.
Duck, I appreciate your enthusiasm. You've obviously had many debates in the past against people who have refused to hear your side of things, and have lived up to every one of your stereotypes.
The first problem I have with your argument is that this is strictly a debate form. It is not. It is a discussion/debate forum, which means we are free to discuss our diverse ideas, and do not have to insist on any particular side of a debate.
"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent." Num 23:19 NASB
Okay, great. What are the consequences? Why should this matter to me? Why is it even worth discussing/debating? Does my salvation hang in the balance or something?
See, I'm not strictly challenging your or Toxic's motives. I'm challenging why anyone on either side of this discussion would insist on their point of view being correct if the subject matter is inconsequential.
So, I asked Toxic why it was significant to him that Jesus not be God. It is just as fair to ask me why it is important to me that He is.
If you asked, rather than attacking me with stereotypical accusations I don't necessarily deserve, I would happily tell you.
now if you were debating instead of questioning our motives, you would have said, well I believe that this proves a man could not be god, so Jesus cannot be god.
I'm not debating, I'm discussing. I ask for motives because they help me better understand not only what a person believes, but why it is consequential to them. Our faith is consequential, or it is vain, right? So, why stir trouble over something vain?
you can't say that cause you believe Jesus is god, so ignore it. don't explain what you believe about the scripture just nod your head and aknowledge it exists.
I haven't ignored anything. I've asked about the part of this discussion that interests me. I have not necessarily responded to everything that has been posted because I had nothing to discuss about those things. I wanted to better understand the person that presented them.
If I wanted to better understand Scripture, I would open my Bible and read it. I come here to better understand the people who are discussing with me.
Was the OP a trap I didn't spring? Is that why my comments upset you? If not, then you should have no problem honestly answering my questions. I assure you, I'm not asking them in an effort to trap you, just to better understand.
on the other hand you could use a standard trinity explanation. Jesus is god and man, so the man jesus isn't god, but the god jesus is god. why not say that? why not debate instead of question ing our motives? I know I'm speaking to the wind.
You know an awful lot about me without knowing anything about me. I know you don't know anything about me because you haven't bothered to ask. That, and that alone, hurts any argument you may have.
You are arguing about a text that adamantly insists we not judge one another, and that we not stir vain debates. And yet, here you are, assuming to have me all figured out without knowing a thing about me. That's not just judgment, that's prejudice.
Why come to a debate forum if you're going to ignore what the other person says? you're just trying to justify ignoring what Toxic said in support of the doctrine that JEsus is not God. you question and impune Toxic's motives for this thread and my motives as well instead of dealing with the scriptures Toxic posted. I don't see you questioning the motives of those who believe Jesus is God who have posted in here, just us who believe Jesus is not God. why don't you ask them what thier intentions for posting in here are? Why just us? Clearly you're attempting to silence those who believe Jesus is not god, but have no desire to silence those who believe Jesus is god. You should start a thread called intentions or motives of those who believe Jesus is not god since you don't want to deal with the topic.
I addressed the OP because he was the OP.
I addressed your descriptions of a Trinitarian because they did not describe me. My very existence proved your post wrong.