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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by timewerx, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    But what you don’t know is that I feel it is a grave dishonor to God to not believe what His Word says plainly. What you don’t know is that God showed me another more sound explanation on a supposed contradiction before. I used to believe the supposed contradiction on the sixth hour in John could be explained by the fact that the Scriptures were not speaking chronologically. But God showed me otherwise later.

    See my new explanation on the supposed contradiction #3 at the following link:

    https://www.christianforums.com/thr...t-supposed-contradictions-in-the-kjv.8035969/

    May God bless you.
     
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  2. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    Everyone feels that way.
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I don't believe that; Otherwise many people today would not believe the way they do (When it comes to the Bible). Usually people cannot see certain things that they don't want to see. For example: An alcoholic may not be able to see he has a drinking problem because he likes the way alcohol makes him feel. Another may have a hard time accepting the existence of dragons in the Bible and so they right it off as myth and or legend. Another may not like the idea there is a perfect Word of God for our day because they think human error rules over God's ability to preserve His Word (even when His Word says it is perfect and it will be preserved for all generations). Lord knows why they would think contrary to what God's Word says. But everyone has their own reasons for coming up with wrong interpretations on Scripture. God knows a person's heart. Sometimes we can make honest mistakes in trying to figure out his Word, too. But more often then not, people believe a certain way falsely because something that is not founded in God's Word is leading them to believe that way. Usually it is outside ideas not founded in the Bible. Many like to use church history, or their knowledge of the original languages, or scholarship to lead their thoughts (Because they like the pleasure of acceptance by a certain group of people). When they should just read and believe God's Word simply by faith and asking God for the understanding and be willing to be persecuted for their faith. Granted, I am not against the use of looking at what other Christians say. But these should be simple and humble servants of the Lords and not scholars or fancy professors.
     
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  4. Tutorman

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    It was inspired by God not written by Him, humans wrote the Bible from their vantage point
     
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  5. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yeah, God's Word having errors in it does not work for me. In fact, I probably would not be a believer in Jesus Christ if such were the case. If there is one error in God's Word, then how can we say that we can trust the rest of it? The Bible is all true it is all false. There is no middle ground where we get to pick and choose which parts of the Bible we get to believe in. God's Word itself declares that it is perfect (Psalms 12:6) (Psalms 119:140) (Proverbs 30:5) and it will last for all generations (Psalms 12:7) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:25)..

    Of course, some people might say,

    "Ah well, see...*Cough* ...the Bible really does not mean "perfect" when it uses that word." "You really cannot trust that word." "It means something else."

    And so faith is destroyed in this portion of God's Word. Nobody can truly trust that God's Word is perfect like it says because they believe some other believer saying that. But I have faith. Faith in God's Word in what it plainly says. God says His Word is perfect, and I believe Him. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
     
  6. ewq1938

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    Well, it does have errors, many of them. The manuscripts don't even match each other. I think God allows these things so we have to use our discernment to know which is right and which is not.
     
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  7. Bible Highlighter

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    No, not true. God's Word says it is perfect (Psalms 12:6) (Psalms 119:140) (Proverbs 30:5). I believe God's Word is true when it states this fact. You may not believe that, but that is your choice. I choose to trust God's Word by faith and He has never let me down otherwise. For I was able to resolve many supposed contradictions in God's Word over the years in my walk with Him. So this shows us that errors are something that is perceived by our limited knowledge. For we should never seek to correct God's Word (making us on the same level as God), but we should let God's Word correct us.
     
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  8. ewq1938

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    Too bad none of those verses say what you claim they do.

    2 Chronicles 22:2
    "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri"

    2 Kings 8:26
    "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel"

    How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign? 22 or 42?
     
  9. gordonhooker

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    They are lost in translation and possible typo's made by those who copied and recopied the original inspired text penned by the authors.
     
  10. EvangAlived

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    "... [page 248] 2 Chron 22:2; 2 Kings 8:26 (cited).

    This is the classic "boo-boo" of the King James bible, which is also shared by the official Masoretic Old Testament text of orthodox Judaism. All attempts to lay the devilment at the feet of the AV translators is useless, for they translated, exactly, the official received text of every orthodox Jew from Moses to David Ben Gurion.

    Now, there is an easy way out of the problem, which we will mention but will not adopt. The easiest [page 248-249] way out is to simply say that the 42 years of 2 Chronicles is written with the word "was" in italics, so the 42 years is the Hebrew idiom for "a son of forty-two years" (note the outrageous mangling of the Hebrew idiom in 1 Samuel 13:1 by the New Scofield Reference Bible and the grossly corrupt "New American Standard Hashbrown Potatoes").

    This would mean that Ahaziah ascended the throne the forty-second year of Omri's kingdom. Omri's kingdom (which included "the house of Ahab") comes in during the twenty-seventh year of the reign of Asa (1 Kings 16:15-16). It is exactly 42 years from that time to the eighth year of Jehoram (2 Kings 8:16), if Jehoshaphat and Jehoram are consecutive. If the text is taken in that fashion, then Ahaziah is the literal "youngest son" of Jehoram (2 Chron. 22:1), and his other name is "Jehoahaz" (2 Chron. 21:17), and another name (!) is Azariah (2 Chron. 22:6). In such a case, his mother was the GRANDDAUGHTER of Omri (2 Chron. 21:6), NOT the DAUGHTER of Omri (2 Chron. 22:2).

    That is the easy way out. If "push came to shove," any Bible believer could resort to the method above, and no one alive or dead could prove that there was a genuine contradiction in the text. However, there are some interesting "addendas" to the account that will complicate matters considerably.

    Observe:

    1. Ahaziah is said to be the "son of JEHOSHAPHAT" (2 Chron. 22:9), and Jehoshaphat is said to be "the king of ISRAEL" (2 Chron. 21:2). This is a remarkable turn of events, for Jehoshaphat was King of JUDAH--not Israel.

    2. In addition to being a "son" of Jehoshaphat and Jehoram, we read that Ahaziah was also "THE SON IN LAW of the house of Ahab" (2 Kings 8:27).

    Now, how does Ahaziah become a "son in law of the house of Ahab" when he married Zibiah of beer- [page 249-250] sheba (2 Chron. 24:1)? He didn't marry any of Ahab's daughters or Omri's daughters.

    3. In 1 Kings 22:26 is one of the most remarkable statements in the Bible. It is a statement that the KING's SON named "Joash" is waiting back in Israel to take over one of the tribes of the dual kingdom if Ahab or Jehoshaphat gets killed (1 Kings 22:26,28-29,34,27). The boy is only a one year old, and he cannot ascend the throne until he is nearly eight (2 Chron. 24:1).

    In their mad haste to rid themselves forever of the hated King James text, the born-again Fundamentalists and Evangelicals, who believed in the "verbal, plenary inspiration of the 10 o'clock newscast," forgot to study the Bible. They were no more "serious" about their Bible studies than the members of the New Scofield Reference Bible or the Lockman Foundation. Ahaziah had given birth to Joash before he (Ahaziah) ever sat on the throne of Judah. You see, when Ahab was killed, a different Ahaziah took over the throne of Israel (2 Kings 1), not the Ahaziah whose mother was "the daughter of Omri" and who was said to be "the son of JEHOSHAPHAT"--not of Ahab (2 Chron. 22:9). Even his other name (Azariah) appears in the list of Jehoshaphat's "sons" (2 Chron. 21:2).

    Obviously then, the Ahaziah of our problem was not Jehoram's literal son, and obviously (or not so obviously if you are looking for alibis to reject authority), he was intended to be put on the southern throne (Judah) many years before he finally got there. His mother was Athaliah, who was Omri's daughter; that is, she was Ahab's SISTER (1 Kings 16:29). If Ahaziah was her son and Jehoshaphat was his father, then Jehoshaphat "joined affinity with Ahab" (2 Chron. 18;1), there was more involved than a military alliance. Jehoshaphat's title was King of ISRAEL (2 Chron. 21:2), signifying the ominous alliance, for Jehoram, his son, is said to have killed "divers also [page 250-251] of the princes of ISRAEL." To all purposes, if Ahab got killed, one of Jehoshaphat's kin folks can take over Israel; conversely, if Jehoshaphat died in battle, then one of Ahab's kinsfolk can take over Judah when Jehoram is through. He does: Ahaziah (after the death of Jehoshaphat) is Ahab's nephew and a son-in-law to his household.

    Now, the only way he can be a "son in law" is by marrying one of Ahab's daughters or granddaughters. However, we must never forget that Jehoram was in Ahab's "house". If Ahaziah married any of Jehoram's daughters, he would be son-in-law to the house of Ahab.

    Zibiah (2 Chron. 24:1) is bound to have been one of Jehoram's daughters. This reconciles everything except the statement that Ahaziah was Jehoram's son. However, we have read enough Bible to know that a son-in-law can be a son (Luke 3:23; 1 Sam. 24:16). We also learned that Ahaziah could not have been Jehoram's literal son, for he was older than his father when his father died (his father was forty years old.) There is even a third possibility open: Jehoram could have married Athaliah after she gave birth to Ahaziah. This would have made Ahaziah Jehoram's stepson. If both father (Jehoshaphat) and son (Jehoram) came in to the same woman (Athaliah), the glaring omission of Ahaziah, Uzziah, and Azariah in Christ's genealogy is perfectly explainable (Exod. 20:5); for this violates the Law of Moses (Lev. 18:8), and this time it is a violation in the Messianic line that leads to the throne of David.

    We have old "Ahaziah" spotted. He is not Jehoram's literal son; he is a stepson or a son-in-law at the most.

    He was Omri's "pet" because his mother was Omri's daughter (not granddaughter, 2 Chron. 22:2). This means that he was 22 years old during the ninth year of the reign of Jehoshaphat, which would be the twelfth year of the reign of Ahab, Omri' son. Omri [page 251-252] undoubtedly aspires to put him on the throne of Judah. Ahab begins the long string of diplomatic exchanges, summit conferences, and "Camp David" bull sessions, which are to bring this about. In Jehoshaphat's THIRD year (2 Chron. 17:7), he prospers and rises to a powerful position in Palestine (2 Chron. 17:10-11). After the fourth year, he "joined affinity with Ahab" (2 Chron. 18:1). It is at this point (the ninth to tenth year of Jehoshaphat and the twelfth to thirteenth year of Ahab) that Ahaziah (Omri's grandson) is 22 years old.

    Since arrangements are made for him to succeed Jehoshaphat on the throne of Judah, he probably, like David, was anointed on the spot. Jehoshaphat is given the title of the "King of Israel" in case Ahab dies. As it works out, Ahab dies, and since Ahaziah (Omri's grandson) was cut out for the southern tribe, Judah, the inheritor of Israel (the northern tribes) is another Ahaziah who begats another Jehoram (2 Kings 1:17).

    When Jehoshaphat dies, Ahaziah is destined to take over the throne of Judah, which he does. Jehoram's reign, then, of eight years must be a joint reign with Jehoshaphat during the latter's military alliances with Ahaziah (Ahab's son) and his defunked ship building operations (2 Chron. 20:35,37). This means that Ahaziah (Ahab's son, Israel) had a joint reign with Ahab beginning in Ahab's seventeenth to eighteenth year, and Jehoram (Ahab's grandson, Israel) had a joint reign with Ahab the nineteenth year of Ahab's reign: THREE KINGS AT ONE TIME--one sick, one in battle, and one of the throne.

    Ahaziah then is anointed to be King of Judah at 22 years of age but fails to sit down on the throne until he is 42.

    This tallies with all the Hebrew, Greek, and English texts unless they have altered the God-given text in order to add converts to the greatest Cult in the world, the Alexandrian Cult of educated shysters.

    One should never abandon the King James text [page 252-253] simply because 100% of the "qualified" and "recognized" scholars have sat in judgment against it and given their "qualified opinions" in favor of Satan. If 100% of the "good, godly, dedicated Fundamentalists" don't like the AV text, they can go sit on a tack. ..." - The "Errors" in the Kings James Bible, formerly titled "Problem Texts", by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, B.A., B.D., M.A., Th.M., Ph.D. President and Founder of Pensacola Bible Institute, BB Bookstore; P.O. BOX 7135; Pensacola, FL 32534. Copyright 1980, Revised 2013. ISBN 1-58026-098-5; pages 248-253.
     
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  11. Bible Highlighter

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    Again, the Bible is perfect as the Word says.

    As for Ahaziah's age:
    It is not an error. I know that. God's Word is true. As a believer in God's Word by faith, I do not always have to have an explanation for something in His Word in order to believe it. For example: I do not know how God created everything in six literal 24 hour days, but I know He did it (Because His Word says so).

    In either case, not all of God's Word is fully known to all of us here.
    We take it by faith that His Word is true as it states (John 17:17).
    You may not want to believe that, but that is your choice, friend.

    Side Note:

    ~ Post update ~

    I was in fact able to resolve this late last night by praying to God about it. See my post #74 below.
     
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  12. EvangAlived

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    Hebrew or not, the English of the KJB is clear.

    1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

    2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

    God uses even the serpent to punish his own people, who rebel against him. See Numbers 21:6, and see also how God allows the devil to punish his rebellious people, and even to test his faithful people. God even used Babylon to punish Israel, and called Nebuchadnezzar, "my servant". Read also how God would use the Jews rebellion to destroy their own city by the Romans in Daniel 9:26

    Read 1 Kings 22:19-24; 2 Chronicles 18:18-23; Job 1:13-22; 2:1-7; 4:12-21; Jeremiah 25:9, 43:10; Daniel 9:26; etc.

    There are no errors in the preserved words of God, in the English, the KJB.
     
  13. EvangAlived

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    There are some that are called "seekers", and they seek after the truth, they pray and ask God for truth, and they search the scriptures to know His perfect will, and study to shew themselves approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of God, that they may obey Him in it.

    Others are "seekers" after excuses that they may find fault with God Himself (as the Pharisees and Sadducees did with Jesus - the Word), and His perfectly preservered words, in English, in the KJB.
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I agree. However, we should pray for those who do so and love them.

    Anyways, just last night I was praying over the two verses in 2 Chronicles 22:2 and 2 Kings 8:26. I believe God may have revealed to me an explanation (that resonates with me finally).

    The key to what may be going on is in several places.

    Key #1.
    (a) The Ahaziah who is 42 years old is said to be the "youngest son of Jehoram." (2 Chronicles 22:1). However,
    (b) The Ahaziah who is 22 years old is said to be a "son in law."

    Key #2.
    (a) The Ahaziah who is 42 years old (the real son), his mother was his counseller to do wickedly (2 Chronicles 22:3). For they were his counsellers after the death of his father to his destruction (2 Chronicles 22:4). However,
    (b) The Ahaziah who is 22 years old (the son in law), nothing is said as to why he did wicked except this: "And he walked in the way of the house of Ahab, and did evil in the sight of the LORD, as did the house of Ahab: for he was the son in law of the house of Ahab." (2 Kings 8:27).

    Key #3.
    (a) The Ahaziah who is 42 years old (the real son) was captured and then killed and buried and the news of his death went to his mother:
    8 "And it came to pass, that, when Jehu was executing judgment upon the house of Ahab, and found the princes of Judah, and the sons of the brethren of Ahaziah, that ministered to Ahaziah, he slew them.
    9 And he sought Ahaziah: and they caught him, (for he was hid in Samaria,) and brought him to Jehu: and when they had slain him, they buried him: Because, said they, he is the son of Jehoshaphat, who sought the LORD with all his heart. So the house of Ahaziah had no power to keep still the kingdom.
    10 But when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of Judah." (2 Chronicles 22:8-10).​
    However,
    (b) The Ahaziah who is 22 years old (the son in law): He was said to be just a king of Judah when he came to see Joram (2 Kings 9:16) and his death was by way of a trap. His death was described entirely different with no mention of his death being given to his mother but only his burial.
    22 "And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?
    23 And Joram turned his hands, and fled, and said to Ahaziah, There is treachery, O Ahaziah.
    24 And Jehu drew a bow with his full strength, and smote Jehoram between his arms, and the arrow went out at his heart, and he sunk down in his chariot.
    25 Then said Jehu to Bidkar his captain, Take up, and cast him in the portion of the field of Naboth the Jezreelite: for remember how that, when I and thou rode together after Ahab his father, the LORD laid this burden upon him;
    26 Surely I have seen yesterday the blood of Naboth, and the blood of his sons, saith the LORD; and I will requite thee in this plat, saith the LORD. Now therefore take and cast him into the plat of ground, according to the word of the LORD.
    27 But when Ahaziah the king of Judah saw this, he fled by the way of the garden house. And Jehu followed after him, and said, Smite him also in the chariot. And they did so at the going up to Gur, which is by Ibleam. And he fled to Megiddo, and died there.
    28 And his servants carried him in a chariot to Jerusalem, and buried him in his sepulchre with his fathers in the city of David." (2 Kings 9:22-28).​

    What is hard to accept by many is that there may be two Ahaziah's being described here that were both co-regent kings.

    Both King Ahaziah's:

    #1. Ruled Jerusalem for one year and did evil in the sight of the Lord (2 Kings 8:26-27) (2 Chronicles 22:2-4).
    #2. Went to battle against Hazael king of Syria at Ramothgilead (2 Kings 8:28)(2 Chronicles 22:5-6).​

    It's because they were co-regent kings (i.e. two kings reigning together). One being the real son who was older (42) and the other who was the son in law who was younger (22). So there are two Ahaziah's. Well, technically there would be three Ahaziah's (that I am aware of) because another Ahaziah in 2 Kings 1 died beforehand.

    I hope this helps, and may God bless you today.
     
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  15. Uber Genius

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    Yep. Any study of the various texts identify differences. Clearly editing went on. We have over 400,000 variants to NT texts.

    However, those amount to ZERO theological content variation.

    Even the Evangelical turned atheist, Bart Ehrman has presented his most damning case of editing being the addition of Mark (vs. 9-20) and the pericope adulterae (John 7:53-8:11). All of Ehrman's supposed errors in textual transmission produce Zero impact to creedal Christianity according to Ehrman's own admission.
     
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