Bernie Sanders touts Canada health care system, Wesley Smith snarks

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Wesley Smith, a writer who has continued on the trail of health care news (or lack thereof) wrote an article that Canada is pushing doctors to suggest euthanasia. Canadian Hospitals Embrace Euthanasia Instead of Quality Palliative Care | National Review

Here is another article on Canada system touting his failures
Canadians Are One In A Million -- While Waiting For Medical Treatment

yet, this goverment-does-all-for-health-care plan is what Bernie and others have signed on to
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ate-democrats-medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders

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Wesley Smith, a writer who has continued on the trail of health care news (or lack thereof) wrote an article that Canada is pushing doctors to suggest euthanasia. Canadian Hospitals Embrace Euthanasia Instead of Quality Palliative Care | National Review

Here is another article on Canada system touting his failures
Canadians Are One In A Million -- While Waiting For Medical Treatment

yet, this goverment-does-all-for-health-care plan is what Bernie and others have signed on to
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ate-democrats-medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders

Real Scarry
A pack of lies.

Medically assisted suicide is up to the patient, not to any doctor. It's legal in the USA. If it were up to the doctor, we'd be seeing our private insurance companies with their death panels pushing it on doctors.

The people writing the first two articles you posted are partisan and biased as well as ignorant and stupid.
 
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Hi jeff,

One of the things that we find very often these days, what with internet fact finding and the very divisive attitudes regarding healthcare, is that you can find some article that supports just about anyone's thinking. Just for laughs, here are some reports that counter the one's you've provided:

Canada’s Single-Payer Health System: What Is True? What Is False?

This report is from Kaiser Health News. KHN has established themselves as a premiere health care and study source.

Here's one from a physician:

A Canadian Doctor Explains How Her Country's Single-Payer Health Care System Works

This paper produced by Wharton University:

Is Canada the Right Model for a Better U.S. Health Care System?

So, it is often who you believe in a lot of these discussions. Personally, I can't foresee having any problems with a government taxed and paid for plan that cuts out a lot of the non-essential expenses found in our private system of hundreds of different insurers with a couple of dozen different plans. One plan pays for certain services and one plan doesn't. One plan has higher co-pays than another but costs less out of pocket each month, but pretty much every time you do go to the doctor you're going to have to cough up a bunch of money yourself because you took the cheaper monthly plan rather than the more expensive, better coverage plan.

I think it would be a joy not to have to go through a dozen different plan options each year with my employer offered plans. Every year I have to sit down and go over a slew of plans if I want to make sure I'm getting the best coverage offered to fit my circumstance as a retired AT&T employee. I have to weigh whether or not I want to pay more each month since I'm now needing more healthcare than in my younger days. Or do I want to roll the dice and save money and trust that I won't have a bunch of healthcare bills this next year?

I think there's a lot of good to be found in single payer systems. The greatest one being that they are they only systems around the world that cover the most of a nation's population...hands down!

You see, for me, I'm not interested in being able to empty my bank account with the pride that I have the gold standard of healthcare. I'm not even interested in having the gold standard in healthcare. All I ask for is 'reasonable' healthcare. I'm not interested in my body being kept alive at all cost. I know I'm going to die! I'm a sinner! There is no question in my mind of that. I am going to die!!!!! What I want is that if I break my leg, I can get it patched up. If I cut myself so deep that I need stitches to close the wound, I can get that. I haven't even been to a doctor for a check up in 15 years. I go in if I have some immediate external need, but all the stuff going on inside my body, I'm pretty much in the same boat as Abraham. I mayt be riddled with cancer inside and one day I'm going to lay my head down on my pillow and never get up...or I'm going to bleed out on some piece of pavement somewhere the victim of some terrible accident. One way or the other, I'm headed to a better place and I'm not particularly concerned about trying to stay here any longer than the Lord wants me to be here.

My motto is: If the Lord wants me alive tomorrow...I will be! If not...I won't. So, for a guy like me, just knowing that if I need to go get patched up I can go have that done, that's about all I'm asking for. BTW, years ago, I'm now 64 I had the discussion with my wife that if I'm ever in some situation where the doctors in the hospital have to keep me alive or bring me back from the brink of death...please tell them no.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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As was mentioned in another Vox article, the concept of "Medicare X"—expanding Medicare and putting it on the market to compete with the private plans—is an interesting idea, especially if it's targeted at individuals who can't afford private insurance and don't qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.

As for me though, I really like my private insurance.
 
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Very scary. This is entirely communist. Praying for God to protect our Country in the coming years.

I am Canadian and I am 76. Over my life I have had ten operations, two extended hospital stays and numerous procedures. All have been promptly and successfully delivered. Canadian medicare is based on a triage system but there are always some who think they are more important. Since the age of 22, I have never had to pay a single penny for my medical care other than the income rated premiums to my government operated medicare. I have received value.

This is not "entirely communist" not even in the slightest. What it is, is a free people acting in their own best interest to provide health care for all and thereby help protect their nation in the coming years. God helps those who help themselves.

I pray that God motivate the people of the USA to take control of their government to achieve something similar to Canada.
 
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I am Canadian and I am 76. Over my life I have had ten operations, two extended hospital stays and numerous procedures. All have been promptly and successfully delivered. Canadian medicare is based on a triage system but there are always some who think they are more important. Since the age of 22, I have never had to pay a single penny for my medical care other than the income rated premiums to my government operated medicare. I have received value.

This is not "entirely communist" not even in the slightest. What it is, is a free people acting in their own best interest to provide health care for all and thereby help protect their nation in the coming years. God helps those who help themselves.

I pray that God to motivate the people of the USA to take control of their government to achieve something similar to Canada.
"God helps those who help who helps themselves" is not biblical. Doesn't God helps those who rely on Him? Aren't you reading your Bible? What you're stating sounds more like it comes from a humanist manifesto.
 
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"God helps those who help who helps themselves" is not biblical. Doesn't God helps those who rely on Him? Aren't you reading your Bible? What you're stating sounds more like it comes from a humanist manifesto.

Hi TR,

I remember when I was first born again. That was one of my first sayings that fell by the wayside. In fact, the whole process of God's salvation is a testimony to God helping those who have no hope of helping themselves. I think Paul was released from prison in a situation where he also had no hope of freeing himself.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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"God helps those who help who helps themselves" is not biblical. Doesn't God helps those who rely on Him? Aren't you reading your Bible? What you're stating sounds more like it comes from a humanist manifesto.
God does help those who rely on Him but that means also that those who rely on Him recognize when He has given tools and means to them to take care of themselves. For example, I rely on God to protect me; if someone breaks into my house, I will call the police because God has provided me with that, but I wont go buying up guns like a nutcase as if God hasn't already provided me with protection.

A Christian can discern between what is relying on Him through what He has already provided versus trying to do everything for themselves without relying on God by doing things like hoarding guns, money, food, etc.

What JackRT is talking about is a socialized system of health insurance and the socialist model comes from what is recorded in God's Word about how the Early Church operated - they used socialism and when someone cheated that system they cheated God, a la Ananias and Sapphira.
 
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"God helps those who help who helps themselves" is not biblical. Doesn't God helps those who rely on Him? Aren't you reading your Bible? What you're stating sounds more like it comes from a humanist manifesto.

That little proverb it not make the Book of Proverbs but it certainly deserves to be. I am reminded of the ancient Hindu fishermen's proverb "Pray to God but row away from the rocks."

You can't be a Christian without being a humanist IMHO.
 
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"God helps those who help who helps themselves" is not biblical. Doesn't God helps those who rely on Him? Aren't you reading your Bible? What you're stating sounds more like it comes from a humanist manifesto.
Actually, what he wrote sounds very Christian. The early Church pooled their money for the good of all.
 
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Can you expand on this, since your are from Canada?
Let me say that first there is no queue-jumping according to privilege or wealth. Secondly as an example in the last year I have had two surgical procedures in hospitals, seven doctor visits to two top specialists, two lab visits, and two mri's at a total cost of $7, only for parking. No fees, no insurance. How would that compare to insurance or outright expense there?
 
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Let me say that first there is no queue-jumping according to privilege or wealth. Secondly as an example in the last year I have had two surgical procedures in hospitals, seven doctor visits to two top specialists, two lab visits, and two mri's at a total cost of $7, only for parking. No fees, no insurance. How would that compare to insurance or outright expense there?
I understand. My insurance, provided through my wife's work, is very good. I've had 10 major operations over the past 8 years and have paid nothing for those operations and related costs. But nothing is free. Someone pays.

For us, my wife's company pays for the coverage as part of the Union negotiated health benefit but we could say that she pays by forfeiting wage increases. We are quite blessed.

As for Canadians, how much taxes does the government take out of one's pay for your health coverage? I'm sure that it would be less than the average American pays for their insurance premiums for equal coverage.
 
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