Bernie Sanders: Comparing My Socialism to Venezuelan Dictator’s is ‘Extremely Unfair’

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Lucky for you that NOBODY is pushing for total socialism then.

Can you maybe give us a quick definition what you think socialism means. Because it seems like you're one of those people who think giving people health care makes you equal to Hitler and Stalin.

No definition. No justification. No compromise. I will not support socialism. Socialism is not a social benefit or program.
 
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No definition. No justification. No compromise. I will not support socialism. Socialism is not a social benefit or program.

Thanks. At least we all know now that this topic is out of your league and you clearly don't even know what your shaking your fist at.
 
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Instead, he simply wanted to draw a parallel between them in the minds of the viewers.
Meh ... maybe. Maybe not. I try not to ascribe motivation to people ... though it does seem obvious at times.

Personally, I think it was an eminently fair question. Imagine, if you will, that a national socialist was running for president. Wouldn't you agree that it would be incumbent on that individual to distinguish his policies from those of Hitler? I daresay that most people would demand that he do so before they would offer him more than the few milliseconds it takes to catch the persons name.

Bernie put himself in this position. He has long associated himself with the failed socialist governments of the USSR, Cuba and more recently Venzuela. He now seemingly wants to distance himself from them ... but that's a recent development.

Apparently, neither Bernie nor his supporters can answer the question of how his policies are significantly different than those of the failed socialist states of the USSR, Cuba and Venzuela. They should be able to answer the question ... but they can't. His policies aren't greatly different. The policies of those failed states are the policies Bernie has revered his entire life. Unfortunately for Bernie, they're inconvenient for his immediate political goal.
 
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Meh ... maybe. Maybe not. I try not to ascribe motivation to people ... though it does seem obvious at times.

Personally, I think it was an eminently fair question. Imagine, if you will, that a national socialist was running for president. Wouldn't you agree that it would be incumbent on that individual to distinguish his policies from those of Hitler? I daresay that most people would demand that he do so before they would offer him more than the few milliseconds it takes to catch the persons name.

Bernie put himself in this position. He has long associated himself with the failed socialist governments of the USSR, Cuba and more recently Venzuela. He now seemingly wants to distance himself from them ... but that's a recent development.

Apparently, neither Bernie nor his supporters can answer the question of how his policies are significantly different than those of the failed socialist states of the USSR, Cuba and Venzuela. They should be able to answer the question ... but they can't. His policies aren't greatly different. The policies of those failed states are the policies Bernie has revered his entire life. Unfortunately for Bernie, they're inconvenient for his immediate political goal.

Do you even know what policies made Venezuela crumble?
 
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Thanks. At least we all know now that this topic is out of your league and you clearly don't even know what your shaking your fist at.

I'm not going to follow your rules or play your game. Everyone here knows by my posts as to what I am referring to.
 
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No definition. No justification. No compromise. I will not support socialism. Socialism is not a social benefit or program.
Correct. Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the state. No Democratic Presidential candidate is advocating such a thing.
 
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Correct. Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the state. No Democratic Presidential candidate is advocating such a thing.

Again, you boil the frogs slowly, you do not announce where the boxcars are truly going. Call it whatever you want but I do not trust it.
 
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And if the social programs advocated by Democrats inevitably lead to **socialism**, I wonder why the European and other advance nations who have adopted such programs are taking so long to get there. It's going on three quarters of a century for most of them.
 
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Again, you boil the frogs slowly, you do not announce where the boxcars are truly going. Call it whatever you want but I do not trust it.

And this attitude is why your country will never manage to fix it's problems.

You guys are divided on almost every important issue and scream at each other for a couple of decades. Eventually it will result in a civil war again, things will cool down for a bit and then rinse and repeat with the next problems.
 
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And if the social programs advocated by Democrats inevitably lead to socialism, I wonder why the European and other advance nations who have adopted such programs are taking so long to get there. It's going on three quarters of a century for most of them.
For one thing, their economies are struggling. For another, birth rates are too low. More recently, the central planning approach of the EU has developed glaring cracks ... and Trump has even started making them pay for the military support which allows them to live the peaceful lifestyle to which they've become accustomed.

Need more? [Hint: They enjoyed life as a US protectorate ... living off largesse from the US.]
 
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And if the social programs advocated by Democrats inevitably lead to socialism, I wonder why the European and other advance nations who have adopted such programs are taking so long to get there. It's going on three quarters of a century for most of them.

Even without socialism these policies are ridiculous. Green new deal and Medicare for all will bankrupt us. And regardless, there is no way Im putting someone championing socialism, in any form, in office. Not down with it.
 
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The desperation to achieve socialism NOW is apparent.
Actually, my only interest this election is getting Trump out of office. If that means electing a socialist, then so be it.
 
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And this attitude is why your country will never manage to fix it's problems.

You guys are divided on almost every important issue and scream at each other for a couple of decades. Eventually it will result in a civil war again, things will cool down for a bit and then rinse and repeat with the next problems.

I,m not going to agree with something I do not agree with just for those pushing its advantage. Might want to try winning me over instead of telling me how stupid I am.
 
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A lot of americans call large parts of europe socialist. Especially the nordic countries. Ask them for an example.
That's a strange thing for someone in Germany to say seeing Germany has free tuition for their citizens and international students as well as mandated universal healthcare.
So you're living in a socialist country, how is it?
 
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Actually, my only interest this election is getting Trump out of office. If that means electing a socialist, then so be it.

That is my primary inclination. People are so emotional concerning Trump they are not logically considering what his opposition is proposing.
 
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Actually, my only interest this election is getting Trump out of office. If that means electing a socialist, then so be it.
That reminds me of an old story with the following moral:
Everyone who seems mean to you is not your enemy.
Everyone who acts nice to you is not your friend
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That's a strange thing for someone in Germany to say seeing Germany has free tuition for their citizens and international students as well as mandated universal healthcare.
So you're living in a socialist country, how is it?
Germans are very smart. They've figured out how to live in socialist country and have the means of production remain in private ownership. Talk about having your cake and eating it...
 
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