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Benny Hinn/Bob Larson

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Susan, Mar 16, 2002.

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  1. Debbie

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    Well I don't recall saying anything bad about Benny Hinn or Bob Larson. I said that "slaying in the Spirit" is not BIblical. Jesus never did it. If that offends anyone, so be it.
    Besides that, I never got it from the Bible that we are not to test preachers. I am not of the impression that everything done in every church is of God. If someone else believes we are to keep everything sacred, regardless, feel free. I don't believe that we are to keep silent on unbiblical matters.
     
  2. MyJhongFist

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    I agree. Just because someone is a 'Christian Leader' does not mean they are above reproach.
    It is not judgement or hatred to question someone's motives or teachings.

    A person is on a very dangerous road if they feel it is not their right to question a leader in the church.
     
  3. Nick_Loves_Abba

    Nick_Loves_Abba Bulls On Parade

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    I garuntee Benny Hinn's ministry (Holy Spirit Does the convicting and saving I know) has saved, and or, brought many many MANY people to Christ. Just becasue you don't agree with some things he says doesnt mean he is a false teacher.

    I'm ill informed, what things did he say that was so absurd?
     
  4. NoahsRaven

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    The Messiah said:
    "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the ELECT".

    Be on guard. Yahu'shua be with all of you.
     
  5. Irwin Hawkins

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    I'm with you all the waqy Debbie.

    With the love of Jesus Christ.
     
  6. bananaman

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    Jude 9
    "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation aginst him, but said 'the lord rebuke thee' "

    Slanderous accusations even against evil authorities is forbidden in scripture. study it out and you will see that it is from Genesis to Revelation.
    Gossip and slander are clearly wrong. There is biblical instruction on correction of leadership and it does not allow for a "free-for-all"
    Romans 13:1-7 speaks to the issue of honor and respect for authority.
    These are just general principles.there are even stricter requirements when we are speaking of correcting someone G-d has annointed.
    In fact all correction is to be done in a spirit of gentleness and humilty.Galatians 6;1. and that is speaking of when sin is clearly present.
    My previous posts pointed out the distinction between examining doctrine and being critical. there is a huge difference.It is one issue to warn of false prophets. it is another issue entirely to slander Christian leaders and accuse them of being false prophets. Do a study of what being a false prophet really means and examine the seriousness of the charge.
    As far as not agreeing with a leader's teaching. It would be hard to find someone who agrees 100% with every thing about any person, leaders included.The problem is what is done with opinions.It is irresponsible to undermine ministries because of my opinions.I am not appointed by G-d to "fix' the Pope, or any other Christain leader.
    If you want to hold to sound doctrine. Then let your doctrine stand or fall on it's own merits. tearing down Christian ministries is wrong.
    If any of you feel you have legitimate concerns about Benny Hinn or Bob Larsen,then why not write to them or go talk to them in person. And humbly speak to them as a brother or sister in Christ about your concerns.And are you praying for their ministries?
    I believe some of you are. others of you, im not so sure. It seems that your criticsims are more about your issues than really about anything constructive at all.
     
  7. Debbie

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    I don't recall anyone saying these 2 were false prophets.
    I have not seen anyone gossip, or slander either preacher.
    Just because someone claims to be annointed by God, does not mean they are annointed by God.
    No one is required to participate in this thread.
    Now the thread is accused of being unbiblical. If Christians thought it was unbiblical, we wouldn't be here discussing it.
    There are some preachers I consider false prophets & when it comes up I will say so.Pastor Robert Lairdon said he went to heaven & had a water fight with God, & saw rooms full of spare detached body parts waiting to be claimed. Many people claimed he was not biblical by making such statements. Then in December, he announced he was having a homosexual relationship with his youth minister. ONly 1/5 of his congregation left. The other 4/5 said, "We wouldnt be Christians if we didnt forgive him." He should be back at the pulpit in April, after finishing 4 months of spiritual counseling. This isnt gossip, it's fact.
    God tells the churches to clean their act up in much scripture. I realize the damage done by Swaggart & Baker & Lairdon & others now. It is our duty to prevent such, & has nothing to do with hatred or gossip. I see the difference. To the churches in Rev God appreciates us testing the leadership. They should have nothing to fear if they are Godly. I'm not going to follow someone just because they claim they are annointed!!!!
    Rev 2:2-"...thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars"
    REv.2: 20-"...I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which CALLETH HERSELF a prophetess, TO TEACH & TO SEDUCE MY SERVANTS..."
    Jezebel said she was annointed too. Satan was also annointed, per scripture.
    To follow blindly is dangerous. To believe everything anyone says is dangerous. How do you know the difference when it is someone on TV?
    MY method is to compare their minstry with Jesus' ministry.
     
  8. bananaman

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    Im confused about your position here. First you say no one is accusing them of being false prophets.Then you go on to build a case for calling preachers false prophets.your scriptures and your arguements in this post are all dealing with FALSE PROPHETS.
    I know that you only infered that they were false prophets.Others in this thread , if you review it you will see came right out and said it.
    Your opening post said that you thought Benny Hinn was a fake.Are you wanting me to believe now that you really did not mean that to infer he is a false prophet.
    Plus the other posts(not all by you) using the scripture about examining fruits which is talking about FALSE PROPHETS. it is not talking about correcting christian leaders. It is talking about identifying FALSE PROPHETS.Your scriptures in this post are talking about FALSE PROPHETS.
    The bible does give instructions on correcting christian leaders and restoring christians who have fallen into sin.Those are not being followed either.
    So im not entirely convinced. But as far as my statements. they were general statements and not directed at just you or even at the thread itself. A thread can be done on the subject of examining and discussing different ministries.
    As far as slandering. To misrepresent with the result or purpose of hurting someones reputation is slander.That is the dictionary definiton.
    Ill admit that you were more indirect in your approach which is much less offensive than the posts that just call him a false prophet and a heretic.
    But yes, im offended. Because it is outrageous to have christians calling christian leaders false prophets and twisting the bible to support their divisiveness.
    If this was an honest attempt to understand Benny Hinns ministry then it would be a whole different context.
     
  9. Debbie

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    Rest assured, that if I thought Benny Hinn was a false prophet I would not hesitate to alert my fellow Christians.
    You Are incorrect Banannaman, I did not say in my first post, or any post, that he was a fake.
    I do not understand WHY he goes beyond Jesus' ministry, as "being slain in the spirit " was not done by Jesus. I'm sorry if it offended you, but it is true.
    JUst because I do not understand why he is doing something not Biblical, I am not prepared, nor do I have sufficient evidence to conclusivly say he is a false prophet, otherwise I would have said so.
     
  10. MyJhongFist

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    I do not doubt that the ministries of both of these men have affected others for Christ. Both ministries are impressive, in their outreach.

    But that does not exclude them from people examining their teachings to make certain they are Biblically correct.

    On one side, you should not question Christian leaders.

    On the other hand, not questioning those in positions of Christian authority leaves them free to teach whatever they want.

    I will not condemn either. But I was brought up to question all authority except for God's.
     
  11. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    You just named two of the worst people you could listen to! Don't waste your time with false teachers such as these. They have nothing to teach the body of Christ.
     
  12. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    Jesus told us to "judge with righteous judgment.”
    Identifying and exposing false teachers is righteous judgement.
     
  13. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    And another verse that speaks even more directly to this is Acts 20:30-31 where Paul said: Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
    If you are not familiar with Benny Hinn's spiritual con game you should look into it. He has made numerous false prophecies including that God would kill all homosexuals by fire in the late 80's, and his most recent blasphemy that Jesus was going to appear bodily on stage with him. The man has shown himself to be a flase teacher and false prophet over and over again and the scripture is clear on how we should treat a false prophet.
     
  14. rollinTHUNDER

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    It is possible that he is false, but without proof, you have nothing. All I can see here, is hear say. Nothing more than gossip, unless you can prove it. Someone posted something from Ireland yesterday. I think they called themselves WE CARE MINISTRIES or something similar. Who are they?? The only way to properly expose him, would be to get it on tape, so we can all see. Gossip is no good.
     
  15. bananaman

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    OOps.Sorry. I had you confused with susan who opened the thread.Thank you for clearing it up.
     
  16. bananaman

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    so the trashing continues.Well, I guess some people just have to learn the hard way.
     
  17. Wave

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    I've received much of blessing from God through the preaching of Benny Hinn, there have been some things that I don't think is from God, but we are all in the flesh. And who are we to judge them? Look at David, he didn't kill de the King of Israel, even when God put the whole camp in sleep! He had occasions to kill the one who sat on the throne, that was his, but he didn't! Why? He feared God, and the king was from God, so he gave the punsihing to God. And you all know that Saul was killed in a war.

    It's right that we have to "test" all who preach, but I think the first one to say something is he or she thae know Benny Hinn, not they who just know about him. I don't know him, even if I've seen him in reality. So don't judge(I know that the most here don't want to judge, but often when we are angry it sounds like that)before God tells you that he or she is false. Let God judge them who are telling that they serve Him but are serving satan, He will do what is best for them, that can lead them to salvation!

    Blessings!
    Sam
     
  18. Susan

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    I'm sorry. :sorry: I only meant to say that in my personal opinion Mr. Hinn was not all he appeared to be.

    I'm deeply sorry if I slandered him. However, much of his things have been documented. I know the URL of one such scene involving Suzanne Hinn and Benny Hinn in the Orlando Christian Center, but if I post it I'd most likely run afoul of the moderators. :sorry:

    Please, do not dislike me. I didn't mean to declare jihad on anyone, nor do I want to have it declared on my thread. :angel:

    Peace :)
     
  19. rollinTHUNDER

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    I still love you Susan. We all have a lot to learn before we get to the promised land.
     
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