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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by GospelS, Mar 28, 2020.

  1. GospelS

    GospelS ⚡Christ be my desire. Christ be my heart⚡ Supporter

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    Back then some Israelites were so blinded by the book (Old Testament) that they couldn’t recognize their Messiah and even opposed and denied Him. Then God started to reveal Himself through people of all nations.

    And now some of us got so blinded by the New Testament theologies that we are not recognizing the importance of Torah and are no longer able to understand God’s truth revealed in His Torah, thereby true Messiah. Now, God is using the remnant of Israel to uncover those truths about Messiah through actual understanding and in perspective of Torah that we tried to mask and couldn’t not see for ages. But I see some of us trying to argue and oppose them like some people did with Messiah.

    But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Romans 11:17-21.
     
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  2. genez

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    Was that meant to be a warning against antisemitism?
     
  3. GospelS

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    We do not know the actual remnant of Israel so it has nothing to do about antisemitism. It could be any believer in Messiah giving some understanding about Torah in light of the grace.
     
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    Good Day,

    We now have a better promise, he saves his own to the utter most he is our mediator under the NC.

    Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    His work of intercession is prefect.

    In Him,

    Bill
     
  5. Amittai

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    1. The Old as well as New Testament tells us, in a nutshell, do not stunt the growth of your fellow adopted widows & orphans in Father's firm: last 21 verses of Proverbs, numerous passages in Pentateuch, Nehemiah, Is 55, 58, 61, Parables, feeding of the thousands (they headhunted an inconsiderable boy), letter of James.

    Especially pray for their growth and for just government in our countries.

    2. Jonah whose sign Jesus gives us was damaged goods by the time he got to Nineveh. He said "Be kind to my nation" because they were taken there shortly after. Earlier in his career he had been at the court of the prosperous Jeroboam II, prosperity he himself has prophesied. Historians trace subtle evolutions in Assyria from the time of Esarhaddon who took Manasseh of Judah in for "re-education". Manasseh is said to have had Isaiah sawed in half, either before or after, I don't know which.

    We don't know what impact we'll have whether good when we thought it was bad, or bad when we thought it was good. We don't know if we'll make it to tomorrow now our cupboards are fuller than they were.

    Samuel desired continual dialogue with God whilst Agag congratulated himself for being off the hook. Both had used the word "surely".

    Jesus told the Pharisees they were Assyrians. A lamassu (made by a Jewish man) was in Trafalgar Square recently. Only through the reform of the attitude of our hearts in the churches, will the nation be helped.
     
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  6. genez

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    "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah." Jer 31:31


    The old rules and mandates for sinners to follow were crucified in Christ.

    And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision
    of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven
    you all trespasses, handwriting of requirements that was against
    us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way,
    having nailed it to the cross."
    Col 2:13-14

    The Law in the OT was an antagonist against all sinners. No one could feel he was righteous when trying to follow the Law. When we begin to follow Christ we are declared righteous by God. Who in their right mind would want to follow the Law today, when we are declared righteous by the imputed righteousness of Christ? I do not understand those who remain wanting to obey the Law when today its impossible to obey when the Temple and its sacrifices have been nullified.

    Does that mean we throw out the OT? No.. The historical accounts remain and are to be for God's people for our study and edification.

    Is God through with the Jews, as Jews after the Church age ends? God will establish a new covenant with Israel when he regathers all Jews scattered over the world when He returns to earth. He will then replace the old covenant with a new covenant for the Jews.. As of now? The Jews can no longer follow the Law as it is written. To try to do so they must make stuff up as substitutionary mandates which were never dictated to Moses.
     
  7. GospelS

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    Yes, however I wasn’t talking about following the law as it is written. I was talking about understanding the law which is lacking. There are great revelations about Messiah that we wouldn’t know if we are missing to understand those aspects of the law. I see few people whom God gave great insight about Torah that we need to know instead of ignoring or denying them.
     
  8. genez

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    The Jews would at times referred to the entire Torah as the Law. We think of the term "Law" in a more limited way.

    My pastor taught us the Torah translating from the Hebrew and Chaldean languages that are found. There is a phenomenal amount of insight and treasure on how to live and think that is to be found throughout the entire OT Scriptures.
     
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