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Basics That Every Non-Muslim Should Know About Islam

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I'm not going to read a single word from that despicable site Jihad Watch.

Sure there are issues in the Muslim world, no doubt about that. However Robert Spencer is a dangerous figure who causes social divisions. That's why the UK had to ban him from traveling there, it would put too much of a strain on national security.

Right, they wouldn't want to upset those peace-loving Muslims and prove Spencer right, now would they?
 
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Right, they wouldn't want to upset those peace-loving Muslims and prove Spencer right, now would they?

If Spencer had one iota of logic, he wouldn't be disrespecting the Muslim community in a way that incites social instability. The UK is a multicultural nation: people respect each other's cultures and values (there are extremists, though they are in the minority).

Sadly people like Spencer try to pull it apart. Thankfully only a fringe minority on the right actually pay any attention to him.
 
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I'm not going to read a single word from that despicable site Jihad Watch.

Sure there are issues in the Muslim world, no doubt about that. However Robert Spencer is a dangerous figure who causes social divisions. That's why the UK had to ban him from traveling there, it would put too much of a strain on national security.

Robert Spencer is an evil genius - he has built a career out of selling fear to cowards who eat it right up. Thankfully, watchdog groups - the same that call out religious and racist groups that smear Christians or Jews or Blacks or whites (and also identify legitimately dangerous Islamist groups as well) are in agreement on his garbage and can guide those who are too blind to see for themselves.
 
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Robert Spencer is an evil genius - he has built a career out of selling fear to cowards who eat it right up. Thankfully, watchdog groups - the same that call out religious and racist groups that smear Christians or Jews or Blacks or whites (and also identify legitimately dangerous Islamist groups as well) are in agreement on his garbage and can guide those who are too blind to see for themselves.

Make no mistake, there are plenty of useful idiots in the world who turn a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism. The so-called Unite Against Fascism goes around attacking the far-right and racist politicians, yet it doesn't say anything about Islamists. This is hypocrisy since all forms of fascism and racism should be stamped out.

But come on guys, Muslims make up 1.5 billion people, almost 1/4 of the world's population. You seriously going to link a Jihad Watch article on one for the world's most popular Christian forums?
 
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What about the Anti-Defamation League? They also call it a hate site.
Did they give a specific example of something that was hateful? Like I said, I can't just take someone's word for it. I have to see what they did or what they said that was actually hateful for me to be convinced that they are.
 
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But come on guys, Muslims make up 1.5 billion people, almost 1/4 of the world's population. You seriously going to link a Jihad Watch article on one for the world's most popular Christian forums?
That's basically an argument that because there are so many of them we should be afraid to criticize the religion since we wouldn't want to make them angry at us.
 
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Good point. I'm amazed that Robert Spencer is so criticized here. I guess that is what happens when you point out the facts about a group that people don't want to offend.

I'm still trying to figure out how things devolved into "who has this site so the person can determine whether or not to read articles from it" instead of "what do Muslims believe". I know this thread started out with "Muslims 101", which is about what Muslims believe from their fasts or Holy Days to the Five Pillars to customs to Sharia law to history. (I would think that if people claim to be "multi-cultural" and respecting different people, they would want to know what those different people believe.)
 
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Criticism of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about these critics? Are they just haters too?

David Cook, author of Understanding Jihad, said "In reading Muslim literature — both contemporary and classical — one can see that the evidence for the primacy of spiritual jihad is negligible. Today it is certain that no Muslim, writing in a non- Western language (such as Arabic, Persian, Urdu), would ever make claims that jihad is primarily nonviolent or has been superseded by the spiritual jihad. Such claims are made solely by Western scholars, primarily those who study Sufism and/or work in interfaith dialogue, and by Muslim apologists who are trying to present Islam in the most innocuous manner possible."[179]

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis argues that "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists, and traditionalists (specialists in the hadith) understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."[173] Furthermore, Lewis maintains that for most of the recorded history of Islam, from the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad onward, the word jihad was used in a primarily military sense.[174] According to Andrew Bostom, a number of jihads have targeted Christians, Hindus, and Jews.[175]


The Qur'an: (8:12): "...cast terror in their hearts and strike upon their necks."[176] The phrase that they have been "commanded to terrorize the disbelievers" has been cited in motivation of Jihadi terror.[177] One Jihadi cleric has said:
"Another aim and objective of jihad is to drive terror in the hearts of the [infidels]. To terrorize them. Did you know that we were commanded in the Qur'an with terrorism? ...Allah said, and prepare for them to the best of your ability with power, and with horses of war. To drive terror in the hearts of my enemies, Allah's enemies, and your enemies. And other enemies which you don't know, only Allah knows them... So we were commanded to drive terror into the hearts of the [infidels], to prepare for them with the best of our abilities with power. Then the Prophet said, nay, the power is your ability to shoot. The power which you are commanded with here, is your ability to shoot. Another aim and objective of jihad is to kill the [infidels], to lessen the population of the [infidels]... it is not right for a Prophet to have captives until he makes the Earth warm with blood... so, you should always seek to lessen the population of the [infidels]."[178]


This is all from wikipedia, not Robert Spencer
 
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Jihad Watch is affiliated with the far-right FrontPage Magazine. The founder David Horowitz has explicit racist views such as blaming Africans for slavery.

An indirect link but any site that links itself to the David Horowitz Freedom Center has no place on an inclusive forum such as this one. Criticize and debate Islam as much as you want, just please don't use hate sites ;)
 
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Jihad Watch is affiliated with the far-right FrontPage Magazine. The founder David Horowitz has explicit racist views such as blaming Africans for slavery.
What exactly did he say? Was it that African tribes captured and sold members of enemy tribes to the whites? If that's all that he said, that's actually true. The movie "Roots" even begins by showing how that happened. Now is the time when I will remind everyone again that I am of African-American descent. Therefore, I am authorized to talk about this.
 
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If Spencer had one iota of logic, he wouldn't be disrespecting the Muslim community in a way that incites social instability. The UK is a multicultural nation: people respect each other's cultures and values (there are extremists, though they are in the minority).

Sadly people like Spencer try to pull it apart. Thankfully only a fringe minority on the right actually pay any attention to him.


It doesn't take very much to set them off, maybe just publish a cartoon about Mohammed, or say something unflattering but true, such as Mark Steyn.
 
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That's basically an argument that because there are so many of them we should be afraid to criticize the religion since we wouldn't want to make them angry at us.

I'm sorry but is the Islam that the Syrian/Iraqi soldiers fighting terrorists the same as the Islam ISIS profess to follow? I mean you allegedly support Assad so you must have your own interpretation of what Islam is :confused:

How about we criticize extremism and totalitarianism as ideologies which manifest in political systems, and of course, religions?
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how things devolved into "who has this site so the person can determine whether or not to read articles from it" instead of "what do Muslims believe". I know this thread started out with "Muslims 101", which is about what Muslims believe from their fasts or Holy Days to the Five Pillars to customs to Sharia law to history. (I would think that if people claim to be "multi-cultural" and respecting different people, they would want to know what those different people believe.)

If you'd like to know what Muslims believe, ask them. If you don't believe them, ask a Christian who has deeply studied the subject and doesn't profit off spreading fear and half truths, there are entry of them on this very site. "What Catholics Believe" written by a particularly rabid Muslim who makes his living spreading fear about the Catholic Church would be just as awful.
 
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What exactly did he say? Was it that African tribes captured and sold members of enemy tribes to the whites? If that's all that he said, that's actually true. The movie "Roots" even begins by showing how that happened.

He stated that Africans and Arabs are exclusively to blame for the slave trade as they sold black slaves to whites. That is a fallacy since whites also enslaved blacks themselves without the intervention of African/Arab slave traders. This happened mostly in Benin, which was an African kingdom under the influence of the Europeans.

Abraham Lincoln identified slavery as an intrinsic evil and annihilated it. I don't understand why so many figures on the far-right want to keep on having a dialogue about slavery, as if that's going to do anything about America's shameful past in the slave trade.
 
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