Barrett Won't Even Say if Medicare is Constitutional (!!!)

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Clearly, she is an off the rails ideological extremist.

Barrett won't say if Medicare is constitutional

There is a silver lining (I'll put it in boldface.)

While that may not keep Barrett from joining the Supreme Court, it could hurt the prospects of both President Trump and Senate Republicans. Democrats have relentlessly depicted them as wanting to take away Americans’ health care, an argument helped along by the GOP’s efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

And so, America, already ranked low in areas such as quality of life, education, life expectancy, healthcare, will continue to move higher in the list of "countries which violate human rights." (Yes, the Trump administration policies put us on that list.)

“I also don’t know what the arguments would be,” she added, referring, presumably, to a case that sought to challenge Medicare’s validity. A seemingly incredulous Feinstein described Medicare as “really sacrosanct in this country.”

Thank God expanding the court is legal and constitutional--no matter what "the arguments might be."
 
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44 million Americans have Medicare.
2.56 million use the Indian Health Service.
8.92 million use Veterans Healthcare.
There are 2 million federal employees, and some insure their families.
There are 1.3 million military members, and some insure their families.
66 million people are covered under Medicaid (1 out of 5 Americans, whose poverty is a national embarrassment.

122.22 million Americans receive healthcare through the government (if we subtract 10% for those who might have two services, it would be 110 million--or 1/3 our population.

All of those people's coverage could be up for the chopping block as Barrett painstakingly takes the steel scalpel to torturously slice a decision based on a Constitution written in 1791.

The good news is that 75 million of those people are old enough to vote, and many of them vote in large numbers.
When it comes to survival--in 2020, 2022, 2024 and beyond--Republicans saying, "We'll give you guns and religious freedom (as long as you're Christian") won't come close to motivating those 75 million Americans.
 
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Clearly, she is an off the rails ideological extremist.

Barrett won't say if Medicare is constitutional

There is a silver lining (I'll put it in boldface.)



And so, America, already ranked low in areas such as quality of life, education, life expectancy, healthcare, will continue to move higher in the list of "countries which violate human rights." (Yes, the Trump administration policies put us on that list.)



Thank God expanding the court is legal and constitutional--no matter what "the arguments might be."
So she hasn’t heard any arguments about its constitutionality, and if confirmed, she just might. So she doesn’t tip her hand. I don’t see the problem. She’s not running for office. She’s being confirmed as a judge. It’s not like she said that voters don’t deserve to know her position.
 
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She alleges she would consider the human cost of her decisions, but she criticized Roberts for doing so in the first ACA lawsuit filed by malevolent Republicans.

Roberts was right, and her criticism shows values out of step with what's right for America. We have only tea leaves to read, and they are rancid.
 
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Where is there a right to medical care or health insurance in the Constitution?
The constitution doesn’t prohibit it. I don’t think the question was about whether or not it was a right. Just whether it was constitutional, meaning allowed under the constitution.
 
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All of those people's coverage could be up for the chopping block as Barrett painstakingly takes the steel scalpel to torturously slice a decision based on a Constitution written in 1791.

Are you suggesting that it would be more fitting to slice up the Constitution with that steel scalpel?

Ahhh... Here we go!

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
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The constitution doesn’t prohibit it. I don’t think the question was about whether or not it was a right. Just whether it was constitutional, meaning allowed under the constitution.

That makes more sense, thanks.
 
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Are you familiar with the 9th and 10th amendments?

Here they are, for those who aren't:

Amendment 9 - Unenumerated Rights

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10 - Reserved Powers

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
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Clearly, she is an off the rails ideological extremist.

Barrett won't say if Medicare is constitutional

There is a silver lining (I'll put it in boldface.)



And so, America, already ranked low in areas such as quality of life, education, life expectancy, healthcare, will continue to move higher in the list of "countries which violate human rights." (Yes, the Trump administration policies put us on that list.)



Thank God expanding the court is legal and constitutional--no matter what "the arguments might be."

She's using the "Biden maneuver"! ;)
Just put her through to the SCOTUS and then we'll find out the answer. (Or is that the "Pelosi maneuver"?) :scratch:
 
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Dude. Providing for the general welfare. As if this topic hasn’t been already debated legally ad naseum.

Historical debate and pre-1936 rulings
In one letter, Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

In 1824 Chief Justice John Marshall described in an obiter dictum a further view on the limits on the General Welfare Clause in Gibbons v. Ogden: "Congress is authorized to lay and collect taxes, &c. to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States. ... Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."[16]

The historical controversy over the U.S. General Welfare Clause arises from two distinct disagreements. The first concerns whether the General Welfare Clause grants an independent spending power or is a restriction upon the taxing power. The second disagreement pertains to what exactly is meant by the phrase "general welfare."

The two primary authors of The Federalist essays set forth two separate, conflicting interpretations:[Note 1]

  • James Madison explained his "narrow" construction of the clause in Federalist No. 41: "Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,’’ amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases."
Madison also advocated for the ratification of the Constitution at the Virginia ratifying convention with this narrow construction of the clause, asserting that spending must be at least tangentially tied to one of the other specifically enumerated powers, such as regulating interstate or foreign commerce, or providing for the military, as the General Welfare Clause is not a specific grant of power, but a statement of purpose qualifying the power to tax.[17][18]

  • Alexander Hamilton, only after the Constitution had been ratified,[19] argued for a broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific section of the country over any other.[20]
This debate surfaced in Congress in 1790, when Madison strongly criticized Hamilton's Report on Manufacturing and industry on the grounds that Hamilton was construing his broad interpretation of the clause as a legal basis for his extensive economic programs.[21]

Although Hamilton's view prevailed during the administrations of Presidents Washington and Adams, historians argue that his view of the General Welfare Clause was repudiated in the election of 1800, and helped establish the primacy of the Democratic-Republican Party for the subsequent 24 years.[22]

Prior to 1936, the United States Supreme Court had imposed a narrow interpretation on the Clause, as demonstrated by the holding in Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co.,[23] in which a tax on child labor was an impermissible attempt to regulate commerce beyond that Court's equally narrow interpretation of the Commerce Clause. This narrow view was later overturned in United States v. Butler. There, the Court agreed with Associate Justice Joseph Story's construction in Story's 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Story had concluded that the General Welfare Clause was not a general grant of legislative power, but also dismissed Madison's narrow construction requiring its use be dependent upon the other enumerated powers. Consequently, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. However, the Court did limit the power to spending for matters affecting only the national welfare.

Shortly after Butler, in Helvering v. Davis,[24] the Supreme Court interpreted the clause even more expansively, disavowing almost entirely any role for judicial review of Congressional spending policies, thereby conferring upon Congress a plenary power to impose taxes and to spend money for the general welfare subject almost entirely to Congress's own discretion. Even more recently, in South Dakota v. Dole[25] the Court held Congress possessed power to indirectly influence the states into adopting national standards by withholding, to a limited extent, federal funds. To date, the Hamiltonian view of the General Welfare Clause predominates in case law.

General welfare clause - Wikipedia.

As Madison wrote the Constitution; he would be the ultimate authority on how to interpret what he wrote. These ad nauseum debates, that you speak if, come from activist judges, who have violated their oath of office:

“I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Oaths of Office: Texts, History, and Traditions
 
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Clearly, she is an off the rails ideological extremist.

Barrett won't say if Medicare is constitutional

There is a silver lining (I'll put it in boldface.)



And so, America, already ranked low in areas such as quality of life, education, life expectancy, healthcare, will continue to move higher in the list of "countries which violate human rights." (Yes, the Trump administration policies put us on that list.)



Thank God expanding the court is legal and constitutional--no matter what "the arguments might be."
Maybe you can point out to us what Section and Article give the federal govt. the authority to formulate and mandate things like Medicare and Medicaid cuz I can't find it anywhere. Having said that many of these programs are so intertwined with US culture that dismantling them would most likely create irreparable harm. The best thing to do would be to pass a constitutional amendment authorizing such actions making them constitutional detailing funding and payout methodology at the same time to make them sustainable. It is likely such an amendment would easily pass.
 
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The constitution doesn’t prohibit it. I don’t think the question was about whether or not it was a right. Just whether it was constitutional, meaning allowed under the constitution.
Which is why the 10th Amendment is part of the Constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The federal govt. was never intended to be empowered to do everything.
 
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The best thing to do would be to pass a constitutional amendment authorizing such actions making them constitutional detailing funding and payout methodology at the same time to make them sustainable. It is likely such an amendment would easily pass.

That would undermine the intent of the Constitution. Maybe we should just do away with that dusty old piece of parchment; and put our lives in the hands of an Oligarchy.

Oh wait...It seems we've done that already.
 
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