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Barr Tells Prosecutors to Consider Charging Violent Protesters With Sedition

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by LostMarbels, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:21 PM.

  1. Trogdor the Burninator

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    According to the wording of the law they don't have to, though we could certainly argue on the destabilisation part.

    "OR by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof"

    They did exactly the above.
     
  2. LostMarbels

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    Is there anyone left on this website that can have a conversation anymore?

    I haven't even taken a stance and people are ready to argue what? I haven't presented an argument.
     
  3. LostMarbels

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    I dont know if this is good or bad. I do not yet have a stance on the issue. I do not know enough at this point to call anyone out.

    It's called a discussion. Sometimes people just talk about things and work it out as a group. It does happen, I promise.
     
  4. usexpat97

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    One of them was. Shot dead.
     
  5. Belk

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    I agree. Claiming that you have some understanding when you have no data and your claims contradict people who are actually in a position to directly observe is silly. But this is where we are in American politics. We have come to a place were ideology is treated the same as knowledge.
     
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  6. Tanj

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    I think this is an exceptionally dangerous-for-your-country proposition. What protests with some violence in the previous history of your country would NOT fall under this definition of sedition? Wonder where the entire civil rights movement and MLK would have been if Barr had been the head of the DOJ at the time. Protesting is a part of the lifeblood of your country. Turning it into a federal felony is totalitarianism.

    Also, you made mention later of "democrats supporting it" (all 100 million of them, I guess). If this were true, then the democrats, being an active part of the US government, are apparently plotting to overthrow themselves. Seems unlikely.
     
  7. usexpat97

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    Trump is a traitor. He and his cronies can keep their accusations of sedition to themselves. At least, until they hire a lumberjack--to remove the LOG from their eye.
     
  8. Pommer

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    I believe that a person can only be “elected twice”, and serve no more than two years of their predecessor’s term.
     
  9. LostMarbels

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    This is exactly why I approach this with caution. And this is exactly the type of response I was looking for so, thank you.

    It is hard to look at this without seeing it on a grander scale. Most of what you are bringing up is activism. Maybe even riots, but sedition requires intent to subvert. MLK did not want to tear down the USA. He wanted rights for his people.

    I do not have a problem labeling groups and or factions. This is coming down on an individuals level.

    This is one thing I get so sick and tired of explaining. This is an American POLITICS forum... Not an American layperson/citizenry forum.
     
  10. LostMarbels

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    In my view/opinion I am much harder on the organization, and leadership than the useful idiot on the street. I also believe ideology and or sated purpose comes into play. Its a sticky situation. That is why Im trying to just discuss it.
     
  11. Trogdor the Burninator

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    Hey that's cool. I don't see an issue with what you want to discuss.

    As for my opinion - sedition charges are a very dangerous road to go down. Lots of things can be called sedition - that's exactly how communist dictatorships dealt with people they didn't like.

    Ironically, I think a US government attempting to charge someone with sedition over a protest would invite a lot more real sedition, and the whole thing would very quickly spiral out of control.
     
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  12. Pommer

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    Actually this is “news and current events”.
     
  13. LostMarbels

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    And I'm an idiot... my apologies.
     
  14. LostMarbels

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    I would not believe it is over protests. I believe that is a misnomer. Personally I view this through stated intention, actions, and ideology. If a man had racist rants all over social media, was known to be in a racist group, and latter robed someone of that 'hated' race, I could justify hate crime charges. See where I am going?

    If the same group specifically targeted individuals in a campaign/movement/revolution (of sorts) I could see that group being domestic terrorist and receiving harsher sentencing.

    The problem I see is proving known affiliation. Now when you come to a sedition, you are going to have to prove intent. That they looted a store and burnt cars to tear down the gov. That is on a different level entirely.
     
  15. Tanj

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    That's what these people want too. However, I'm not sure that there's any clause in this argument for the moral purity of the protest. There's nothing in your history that suggest someone somewhere gets to make a legal call on what protests are OK, and which ones are felonies. Like I said, that's totalitarianism.

    My point stands. The Democrats control the lower house of congress and have strong representation in the other half of the legislature and judicial branches. You are still claiming that they are attempting to sedition themselves. It doesn't make any sense regardless of the level of inclusitivioty of your use of "democrats" as a pejorative.
     
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  16. Sparagmos

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    Wake me up when Antifa storms the capital, tries to remove congress, or bombs the White House...

    Or were they hoping the forest fires would reach D.C. eventually?
     
  17. Tanj

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    Well yes, that's on the level where you explain how looting stores and burning cars in any way shape or form could tear down the government.
     
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  18. Clizby WampusCat

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    I have no idea. I don't see how that is relevant.
     
  19. LostMarbels

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    Truth about it is Im burnt out at the moment. I haven't been putting forth much effort.

    I don't think things can be explained for some without hindsight. Some things are just going to have to come to pass in order to explain themselves. Only at that time will what some have forewarned make sense.

    There is an ongoing coup in America. The questions being posed is how did these coordinated riots play out concerning that coup. This is a first in America. Unprecedented in this country. But plenty of examples in history demonstrate coordinated upheaval. Intentionally set fires. Social unrest. Etc, all utilized as a tool during a political coup.

    I believe this is an attempt to see if those intentions exist, and the actions are linked.

    That would be overactive sensibilities becoming easily offended, I would imagine. I call people Reps all the time also. Sometimes I just don't feel like typing.
     
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  20. FireDragon76

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    Trump and Barr should both be tried for sedition.
     
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