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Baptism

Discussion in 'General Struggles' started by NYH, Jul 27, 2021.

  1. NYH

    NYH New Member

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    Do I need to be baptism to be saved?
     
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  2. Albion

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    Technically, no. For example a person who is about to die and there's no one to administer the sacrament of Baptism is believed by most churches to be saved nonetheless. By his profession of faith. We presume that there were people martyred under the Romans or, more recently, in atheistic societies like North Korea who were in a similar situation.

    However, to be baptized is to follow Christ's instructions -- and personal example -- so unless there is some extraordinary problem preventing you from being baptized, it would be difficult to justify refusing to follow the instructions of your savior and be baptized.

    And then there are the benefits. In the view of most Christian churches, you are marked as a member of Christ's church by baptism, your sins are forgiven, and you receive grace from God for the struggles of daily life as a believer.
     
  3. eleos1954

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    No .... but it is important

    The biblical practice of baptism demonstrates a person’s commitment to Jesus Christ. It’s a public ceremony proclaiming that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

    By baptism we confess our faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and testify of our death to sin and of our purpose to walk in newness of life. Thus we acknowledge Christ as Lord and Saviour, become His people, and are received as members by His church.

    Baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, the forgiveness of our sins, and our reception of the Holy Spirit. It is by immersion in water and is contingent on an affirmation of faith in Jesus and evidence of repentance of sin. It follows instruction in the Holy Scriptures and acceptance of their teachings. (Matt. 28:19, 20; Acts 2:38; 16:30-33; 22:16; Rom. 6:1-6; Gal. 3:27; Col. 2:12, 13.)
     
  4. dqhall

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    Have you been called to get baptized?
     
  5. Lawrence87

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    I don't think it is 100% necessary, there are Saints in the Orthodox Church who were martyred before they had the chance to be baptized and they are still considered Saints...

    However, you absolutely should do it if you can.
     
  6. Maria Billingsley

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    Welcome! Water Baptism does not have the power to save however, the Holy Spirit baptism certainly does. Read John the Baptist:

    "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit ....."
     
  7. spiritfilledjm

    spiritfilledjm Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No. It is not baptism that saves but your faith in Christ and His grace. However, Jesus commanded his disciples in the great commission to baptize everyone, meaning that all Christians should be baptized, however, again, it is not the baptism that saves.
     
  8. Silverback

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    No, but why would you avoid it? Baptism, was instituted by Jesus, he was baptized, if it's good enough for him, then it good enough for everyone.

    That may be a simple way of viewing it, but it seems satisfactory to me.
     
  9. NYH

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    I don't have a church memebership at this point. What can I do to be baptised?
     
  10. ViaCrucis

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    The teaching of Scripture and thus the historic teaching of the Christian Church has always been that Baptism is salvific, it is a Sacrament by which God works His grace, granting us faith, giving us new birth, joining us to Christ's life, death, and resurrection. Etc.

    Baptism is a work of God for us, not a work we do for Him. So we read in Ephesians 5:26 that Christ has cleansed us by the washing of water with the word.

    So is Baptism necessary? Yes.

    If you, for some reason, did not receive Baptism and you were to die tonight would you be damned and not have salvation? No.

    Baptism is not an obstacle to be overcome in order for us to gain salvation. Rather Baptism is part of God's own generosity and grace poured out upon the world in Christ. That through the preaching of the word and the administering of the Sacraments God is Himself at work, creating faith, renewing us. Baptism is, generally, the first part of that journey with God as a Christian.

    So yes, you need to be baptized.
    But if you are worried about God denying you a place with Him, don't be. Trust in His goodness and grace.

    Baptism is God's promises tangibly expressed, the promise of God's love for you, that He has chosen you in Christ, and God does what Scripture says of Baptism. So don't look to Baptism as about "needing to", but as God is giving this to you--God is the worker, God is the giver, we are the recipients of His goodness, love, and grace.

    There should be no fear about Baptism, Baptism should fill us with joy and peace--because our Lord is there, giving Himself away to us in the water.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. Albion

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    If you have professed your faith in the Lord and intend to live a new life as he has instructed us, you could consult a minister...and most of them with congregations would not require you to join as a condition of them baptizing you. It could be that a retired minister or a hospital chaplain or military chaplain would be a good choice.
     
  12. Tigger45

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    Jesus was baptized, for the life of me I don’t understand why anyone would attempt to neglect or minimize it.

    Matthew 3:
    13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

    15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

    16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
     
  13. 1watchman

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    NO! People on their death bed confess Jesus as their Savior and Lord of their life, and go on their way to Heaven with blessings and rewards.
    Baptism is a public testimony to show one's stand with Jesus Christ which honors God and brings real blessings by Him to such faithful testimony. One who loves the Lord will want that and will be rewarded. Others who reject it without Godly reason, which God shows, are refusing to bow to God or honor Him before mankind. Satan loves to confuse and lead souls astray to dishonor God, so do not turn away from God to man's ideas. Baptism does NOT save souls as some people claim, but is a choice to show submission and love for the Savior.

    If not in a Bible-only Church fellowship, you might seek a known Bible-only saint, but make SURE He is a "born again" believer in Jesus Christ (as John 3:16 and John 14; etc.) and not just a professing Christian; otherwise you will just accomplish nothing.
     
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  14. Unqualified

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    I thought catholic baptism was enough for a long time. But when I got serious about the lord I wanted full immersion. But when you get saved or born again baptism is your first chance to be obedient. Get baptized. It is an outward sign to the world of your cleansing from sin. The group I was with went to the lake with from our church. We sang songs and cheered. I felt accepted and loved and obedient. It was fun too. We were all being strong and obviously Christian, God made us brave. Maybe your first obedience would be to find a good bible teaching church. I recommend Calvary chapel for the whole word and community with good fair leadership. They are almost everywhere.
     
  15. Albion

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    Is there a case in Scripture in which somebody officially rejects the baptism he's already received and so has a second one (or third or fourth as some other posters have describe4d doing)?
     
  16. 1watchman

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    I don't know of any such Scripture, but if one believes the first baptism was not according to Scripture, and wants to be baptized by a real "born again" saint --as a testimony to the world of their stand for Jesus: the Christ, it would be acceptable by God as one desiring to honor Him, I am convinced.
     
  17. Albion

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    So, in answer to the question, there is no Scriptural evidence for having a series of baptisms, one for each time the person sins and repents and wants to be right with God again.
     
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  18. Silverback

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    Find a church, go to a few services meet the Pastor, then ask for membership...easy, at the same time ask him about baptism. There may be some instruction you will have to take, don't sweat it.

    Most denominations have somewhat different views on baptism, some are rather simple about how to do it and what it accomplishes. For others it's significance cannot be overrated.

    My denomination, The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS) holds baptism in very high regard, and consider baptism a sacrament, and a means of grace.

    I will keep you in my prayers...best wishes friend.
     
  19. Silverback

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    Not specifically, but you can betray your baptism by the life you lead. The good thing is you can always return to your baptism through repentence, and forgiveness.

    I was born into a nominally Mormon family, I was baptised shortly after my 8th birthday. I left Mormonism around Age 21, I drifted around and could never find a church where I belonged. While serving in the US Navy, one of our Chaplains was Lutheran (LCMS) we talked a lot, so I took the plunge. My Pastor and I talked about my Mormon baptism, and since Mormonism is not Christianity, it was agreed that I should receive Christian Baptism, that was 1998...I consider this to be my first.
     
  20. Albion

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    Yes. That is the position taken by those who do not consider the person's original baptism negated when and if he later sins.

    Certainly. We're not talking here about a person repeating a valid baptism.
     
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