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Baptism and Fundamentalists

Discussion in 'Fundamentalist Christians' started by DeaconDean, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. Necessary to salvation because through Baptism is offered the grace of God.

  2. Necessary and effectual to salvation.

  3. We must be baptized or we cannot be saved

  4. The believer is not saved because he is baptized; but, baptized because he is saved.

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  1. VCViking

    VCViking Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel...

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    Ummm...I'm not arguing about anything. You're the one who stated there is no discussion of baptism on the website. You said I was wrong. I merely showed you quotes and links, like you asked for, where discussion took place.

    Perhaps you should go back and re-read your posts to see who is arguing.

    Here's your comments,




    I was merely trying to help. I even thanked you for answering me on an earlier post. I know better now for the future you don't want any.
     
  2. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Like I said, the matter is not one of Presbyterianor Baptists, it is the matter of whether or not baptism is necesary to/for salvation.

    Your own Westminster Confession of Faith of 1642 states:

    Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org

    Nowhere in your confession does it state that baptism is necessary to/for salvation.

    And that is the point.

    Archibald Alexander Hodge, Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield, D.L. Moody all would agree on that point.

    In fact, A. A. Hodge goes so far as to say:


    And he even goes on to say that Baptist and Presbyterians agree on certain aspects of baptism:​




    Ibid

    So this is not a "baptist" or "presbyterian" thing, but rather, is baptism necessary to/for salvation.​

    How hard is that to understand?​


    That is not what the Westminster Confession says:​


    Ibid

    Tradition has no place in Fundamentalism.​

    And here again, why is so hard to say whether or not one believe that in order to be saved, as some denominations teach, you have to be baptized?​

    Are you baptized because your saved, or are you baptized so you can be saved?

    And I know that neither Hodge, Warfield, or Moody believed the latter.

    Because certain groups, not Presbyterians mind you, but certain denominations teach, and confess that:

    Source

    In other words, repenting, confessing, believing is not enough to save, you must be baptized because without it "we cannot be saved".​

    And again, are you baptized because you were saved, or, are you saved because you were baptized?

    God Bless​

    Till all are one.​

     
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  3. FredVB

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    Notice I did not actually say something of what was a fundamentalist position, I had said the "fundamental biblical position". As I answers to something in a previous post, I think I am fundamentalist because I believe all the Bible's teachings as being true. What is true about the Statement of Faith is true because of the truth shown in Bible teaching. Anything else would be like tradition. How would that be considered fundamentalist? I had said all have traditions, and so fundamentalists too. But as I said, even then, it is not Bible teaching that there should be baptism for any, other than believers. And so baptism does not do something for salvation, and I specificslly say believers dhould be baptized, not the saved should be baptized,true believers are saved because Yahweh promises that, and those professing that faith whereby they are saved are the ones who should be baptized. I say it that way because there are on occasion those making a false profession, but that is not our fault or that of any other, and we cannot second-guess professions.
     
  4. Albion

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    Very true, and I wondered about it at the time...but you know that people don't always choose their words as carefully as that in order to make a fine distinction.
     
  5. FredVB

    FredVB Regular Member

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    Thank you for your response, I do not care for responding to things about what I did not say, for having been misunderstood, and I appreciate it when someone shows they underrstand. Some just see something in a post and not the rest of what is said.

    The inerrancy of the Bible is one thing to believe, over any tradition, in the Statement, and whst there is about baptism is in that, in the Bible.
     
  6. FreeinChrist

    FreeinChrist CF Advisory team Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Folks, the Fundamentalist Christian forum has always been open to Fundamentalists who believe in infant baptism as well as those who hold with believer's baptism. Some Fundamentalist Christians believe it is required for salvation and others do not. A specific position on baptism is not specified in the SOF.

    Please keep the discussion civil and be respectful of others. It is not okay to attack the beliefs of other Fundamentalist Christians and future flaming will be addressed.
     
  7. hwyangel

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    Even in the modern context there are a few groups who practice immersion who would not consider baptizing anyone in any body of water other than a running stream ("living waters"). We should also acknowledge that while immersion was a common practice of the Jews,sprinkling was also a common mode of administering blood or water in purification rituals (Num. 19:18,Hebrews 9:19).
    . We also find in the New Testament that baptism by immersion communicates more clearly the idea of participating with Christ in his death,burial and resurrection,as well as the idea of salvation as a means of washing away the stain of sin (Rom. 6:3-4,Col. 2:12, Acts 22:16,Titus 3:5,1 Peter 3:21).
     
  8. ptomwebster

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    There are a number of types of fundamentalists, some add baptism to the fundamentals of the faith.
     
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  9. hwyangel

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    I think we can agree that getting baptized is a good thing. And if your ever in a desert miles from civilization with only one bottle of water and you have never been baptized I'm sure you would be forgiven if you didn't immerse. lol
     
  10. Albion

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    Well, immersion is not part of the poll; however there also is no choice given for anyone who thinks baptism is not always necessary for salvation (as in your example) but doesn't think that it's a mere sign of obedience, either.
     
  11. FreeinChrist

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    I am referring to the SOF for this particular congregational forum.
     
  12. FreeinChrist

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    Folks, this thread is closed for review.

    As a reminder, in regards to who is a Fundamentalist Christian on this site in THIS particular congregational forum, we go by Fundamentalist Christians Statement of Faith.

    Whether baptism is necessary for salvation or not is not listed in that statement and NO ONE should be telling anybody to leave.
    We have had Fundamentalist Chrisitan members who believe either way in regards to baptist since the inception of this forum - that is not changing.



    Adding that a partial clean up was started.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2012
  13. FreeinChrist

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    The thread will stay closed at OP request
     
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