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God will decide when the Earth is cleansed by Fire. Just like He decided in the days of Noah when the earth was cleansed by water. Or the days of Lot when Sodom was destroyed with fire and brimstone.
Somebody has to decide until then, unless we want to be completely lost until then... What do we do without any order or structure...? We would be lost...

America tries to give the people the power over, or to make that decision, but are they really...?

God Bless!
 
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I am re-reading, for the umpteenth time, Walt Whitman's LEAVES OF GRASS.

It got him fired from a clerk position with Department of the Interior -- his boss thought the book was vulgar
 
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This year Banned Books Week, sponsored by the American Library Association, will be held on September 23rd to 29th. It is an annual event celebrating the freedom to read and recognizing those books that have been challenged or banned in libraries.

Since Banned Books Week was instituted in 1982, more than 11,300 books have been challenged or banned. Among the books that have been challenged or banned are the Dictionary (contains dirty words), Where's Waldo (cartoon boobs), The Diary of Anne Frank (sexual references), The Lorax by Dr. Seuss (attacks the logging industry), The Catcher in the Rye (sexual references and profanity), Animal Farm (Communist political theories), Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare (cross dressing), Charlotte's Web (showing lower life forms with human abilities is sacrilegious and disrespectful to God) and the entire Harry Potter series (witchcraft).

I hope that you will all read a banned or challenged book to commemorate the week.
It seems it would be more beneficial to list an advisory on the book like "contains cartoon boobs" rather than ban them. And who exactly is banning them?
 
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It seems it would be more beneficial to list an advisory on the book like "contains cartoon boobs" rather than ban them. And who exactly is banning them?

Harriet the Spy was banned because it "set a bad example for children." However, not everyone would agree with that assessment. Who would decide what gets said in an advisory? Would the advisory for that book read "readers may find main character to be obnoxious and set a bad example for children?"

Books are most commonly banned by school boards (for school libraries) and library boards (for public libraries). These bans usually come after a complaint is received from a single parent.

One book that was banned was Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you See? by Bill Martin, Jr. It was banned by the Texas School Board after a board member, Pat Hardy, claimed that Bill Martin had also written a book called Ethical Marxism which she said contained “very strong critiques of capitalism and the American system.”

The problem is that children's author Bill Martin, Jr. and Marxist author Bill Martin were two different people. If Ms. Hardy had done her research--which she should have done before making such a motion--she would have learned that while Bill Martin Jr. had written more than 300 books (including such titles as Chicka Chicka Boom Boom and Polar Bear, Polar Bear What do you Hear?), none of them were on Marxism. In addition, Bill Martin Jr. had not only lived in Texas but the library at Texas A&M University was named after him. Also, the Bill Martin Jr. Award, which is the Kansas state award for best children's picture book, is named in his honor.

The Texas board very quickly rescinded its decision to ban the book, a ban that never should have happened.
 
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Of course they should be. Terrorist should not be allowed to spread death and destruction. Although Trump mostly controls terrorism by cutting off their supply of money.
But that isn't what we are discussing in this thread.
 
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How far do we take this freedom, I mean the Anarchist Cookbook, can make a single individual very dangerous, and can make a terrorist very easily...

Or books strongly supporting and promoting militantism, or other ideas kind of like Hitler and others like him had... Books telling you why you should kill and hurt people, or animals, ect... Or Books supporting and promoting some very sick and twisted things and making them seem perfectly OK, and perfectly logical and reasonable and OK, and they can it even go so far as to make it (bad) seem good...

What about books openly promoting and supporting Satanism and Satan worship, with some Ideas like that that some secret societies and various cults have about Satan, him being good or the good one, and God bad, or Jesus is Satan or Satan is Jesus, or God is Satan, or Satan is the Holy Spirit or "whatever"... Should books like that be allowed...?

Yes, these books are "allowed". Publishers have it up their discretion what they will publish, as long as it abides by federal law. I don't read books about satanism, but there is not a law that only Christian books are allowed in the world. All religions have their books published --- if you're wanting to take away the rights of other groups getting their books, be prepared for ours to be infringed on eventually too then.
 
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Harriet the Spy was banned because it "set a bad example for children." However, not everyone would agree with that assessment. Who would decide what gets said in an advisory?

Books are most commonly banned by school boards (for school libraries) and library boards (for public libraries). These bans usually come after a complaint is received from a single parent.

One book that was banned was Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you See? by Bill Martin, Jr. It was banned by the Texas School Board after a board member, Pat Hardy, claimed that Bill Martin had also written a book called Ethical Marxism which she said contained “very strong critiques of capitalism and the American system.”

The problem is that children's author Bill Martin, Jr. and Marxist author Bill Martin were two different people. If Ms. Hardy had done her research--which she should have done before making such a motion--she would have learned that while Bill Martin Jr. had written more than 300 books (including such titles as Chicka Chicka Boom Boom and Polar Bear, Polar Bear What do you Hear?), none of them were on Marxism. In addition, Bill Martin Jr. had not only lived in Texas but the library at Texas A&M University was named after him. In addition, the Bill Martin Jr. Award, which is the Kansas state award for best children's picture book, is named in his honor.

The Texas board very quickly rescinded its decision to ban the book, a ban that never should have happened.
You should move to Canada. We read books rather than ban them.
 
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Human history repeatedly shows the repressive effects of censorship. In general, society works because most of the people want order and peace most of the time. Those who feel otherwise can be a problem, and sometimes, an inspiration.

Agreed. Brings to mind that Knowledge is power, and much knowledge and unusual viewpoints comes from books and other print media like articles and blogs. Different perspectives that make people think or reconsider. Pre-warned is pre-armed kind of thing.

Restriction and censorship of books and materials - even if you don't particularly like or agree with a certain book out there - is what so many of the Dystopian classics referred to with repressed society. Obviously people think of a dumbed down and controlled society that stopped getting new knowledge and idea through books in classics like Fahrenheit 451, but your point on repressive effects of censorship with law and order of peace reminds me more of 1984's mantra, "war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength."

some posters in this thread worry me.

The same can be said for PTA meetings and parental groups reasons for challenging books in the first place. Most of the time it's a very small few with the objection that ruin it for the whole lot. Scary stuff but it shows some of these bizarre futures writers warned about aren't as unrealistic as some may think. A lot of people fight to suppress different viewpoints and knowledge. As much as people may beg to differ, a lot of people love rules and creating new divisions and rules for those divisions and causing trouble if something is too popular, or if things are going too normally and peaceful. That's how I view a lot of these censorship groups.
 
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You should move to Canada. We read books rather than ban them.
My great-grandfather came to the US from Canada back in the late 1800s. It has been suggested by family members many times over the years that he should have stayed.
 
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But that isn't what we are discussing in this thread.
Yes it is, we are talking about banning books written by terrorists. Freedom of speech does not give us the freedom to do harm and damage to our neighbor.
 
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Yes it is, we are talking about banning books written by terrorists. Freedom of speech does not give us the freedom to do harm and damage to our neighbor.
The thread is about Banned Book Week, not banning books written by terrorists. In any case your exact words were "Terrorist should not be allowed to spread death and destruction. Although Trump mostly controls terrorism by cutting off their supply of money." What Trump is or is not doing to address terrorists has nothing to do with Banned Book Week.
 
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The thread is about Banned Book Week, not banning books written by terrorists.
If the opening post you went from banned book week to banned books in general. You used one as a catalysis for the other. You claim books should not be banned and I showed if they promote doing harm or damage to others then they should be banned. The famous example is no one has the right to yell "FIRE" in a movie theater. Clearly free speech and freedom of the press has limits and that means we have to establish what those limits are.
 
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If the opening post you went from banned book week to banned books in general. You used one as a catalysis for the other. You claim books should not be banned and I showed if they promote doing harm or damage to others then they should be banned. The famous example is no one has the right to yell "FIRE" in a movie theater. Clearly free speech and freedom of the press has limits and that means we have to establish what those limits are.
And, again, what does that have to do with your statement that "Trump mostly controls terrorism by cutting off their supply of money." What does that have to do with Banned Book Week?
 
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And, again, what does that have to do with your statement that "Trump mostly controls terrorism by cutting off their supply of money." What does that have to do with Banned Book Week?
I am simply saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. You do not have to ban a book you can cut off the supply of money they need to print and distribute those books. Or you can drop a bomb on the school where they teach those books. I many third world countries students can not afford to buy their own books. The teacher is the only one that has a book and it is their job to teach the book to the class.
 
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I am simply saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. You do not have to ban a book you can cut off the supply of money they need to print and distribute those books. Or you can drop a bomb on the school where they teach those books. I many third world countries students can not afford to buy their own books. The teacher is the only one that has a book and it is their job to teach the book to the class.
Now you are talking about bombing people? We are talking about Banned Books Week, a week designed to oppose banning books. We are not talking about killing people or cutting off finding to anyone.
 
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Yes, because Banned Books Week is to oppose banning books.
Sorry you are in-violation of your own rules. WE are only allowed to talk about the week, not the actually book that are being banned.
 
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