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Backward countries

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by mindlight, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. mindlight

    mindlight See in the dark Supporter

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    Is the solution for emigration from failed states to bar that emigration or to encourage more liberal immigration policies?

    Trump allegedly called much of Africa and Central America "#@[email protected]'"

    www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42664173

    The sentiment behind the alleged statement seems to be that accepting immigrants from such countries drags down the quality of life for Americans and therefore such immigration should not happen.

    1) Was trump right in his description of these countries being sub standard compared to the USA?
    2) Does emigration of the best and brightest of such nations benefit those countries?
    3) Do immigrants contribute more than they take from the countries they immigrate into?
    4) What can be done to help these countries reform and improve their own economies
    5) Is this a lack of compassion on Trumps part, a sort of Mammon worship or common sense?

    This is not just an issue for the USA but for Europe also as vast numbers of economic migrants seek entry from failed states in Africa and in the Middle East. Most European countries have restrictions on economic migration.
     
  2. buzuxi02

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    You have to help people where they are. you can bring in 500,000,000 immigrants tomorrow and it will be a drop in the bucket as the amount of people considered extremely poor (those that survive on a few bucks a month) is staggering. Birth rates are exceptionally high in these country. You bring one in, 5 more replace them through birth.
    Mass migration is bad for every nation. Mass migration of rich people to poor nations is bad as is the standard poor to more industrialized. I am a first generation american everyone of my relatives under the age of 50 is an immigrant, i also have family members that have migrated to Canada, other parts of Europe and Australia, and i'm actually NOT thankful.
    Reason is where my parents come from its really not that bad. The mass migration has caused a tremendous brain drain in the country which actually fuels more immigration. You also have the erosion of the (good aspects) of the culture due to the staggering amount of successful immigrants going back who have assimilated into the materialistic aspects of western culture and attempt to influence the politics and social beliefs of the natives (aka, promotion of secularism, nominalism, materialism, feminism, etc)
     
  3. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Good example or terrible warning?

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    There is only one species of human being, not two, not three, not ten.

    One.

    ALL people are made in the image of God, regardless of race, colour, faith or anything else. ALL of us.

    See Genesis for further details.
     
  4. Another Lazarus

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    The corrupt leaders of nations impoverish their people. A few people who spend their nation budget for their stomach and neglect their people, these are the source of their poverty
    and these corrupt leaders need to be exterminated to settle this immigration problem.
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  5. mindlight

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    As a creationist I can say we all come from the same person and are therefore equal by heritage as well as redemption and eternal future. But that does not mean that the cultures we have created are of equal worth or degree of functionality. So understanding the equal potential and worth of people does not change the basic question of whether or not mass migration from failed cultures to successful ones is a solution to anything. Local aid programmes or immigration are morally neutral in this respect. So what is your point?
     
  6. mindlight

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    So your solution is a return to Western imperialism or assassination squads to take out bad leaders or new draconian powers for a world court?
     
  7. mindlight

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    That is an interesting comment. Not everything about Western culture is beneficial. In the UK immigrants are often more religious for instance than the indigenous people. That is a useful corrective to a secular culture. But so also as you say the return rich secularised immigrants to their host countries may sometimes mean that their new riches give them power to secularise those cultures. Also the effect of the best and brightest leaving a country cannot be underestimated. There is something parasitic about the British health service which is so dependent on foreign trained nurses and doctors for instance. With better domestic training this would not be so necessary.
     
  8. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Good example or terrible warning?

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    My point is that treating any people as sub human is unBiblical. We don't have equal POTENTIAL value, we have equal ACTUAL value. That is what Genesis tells us.

    ALL are made in the image of God.
     
  9. buzuxi02

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    Sorry but corruption has very little with the disfunction you see in these photos. This is a moral problem and those residing there know it. Polygamy run rampant, you can go to Iraq or North Korea or war torn Syria and never sea anything like this.
     
  10. Another Lazarus

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    Its the duty of the people of the poor countries to eradicate their corrupt leaders and officers, western intereference aims for their own pocket.
     
  11. mindlight

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    Yes but it comes down to what you mean by that. There is no equivalence between good and evil, people have different levels of gifts, some people are not saved and have no future and so are not equivalent to believers who have both these things. In the bible there is neither equality of outcome or opportunity in this life nor is it recommended e.g. Parable of the Talents.

    Yes all humanity should be respected cause it bears Gods image and yes Christians are called to action when faced with absolute poverty and oppression of their brothers and sisters. But a pagan from a dysfunctional godless culture has less real value in practice than a Christian from a functional culture. Yes all people are equal before the law but some people and some cultures are toxic and others uplifting.

    There has been a lack of reality and discrimination about this topic for some time and actually I am grateful for Trumps complete insensitive to politically correct norms. It is a time for renewal not deadening diplomacy.

    The immigration debate hinges around two main questions in my view? Are we obliged to help economic immigrants find a new home and what should we do about that? One answer is to build a wall and shut people out, another to build a wall and help people where they live. Another option is to let them all in? A fourth option is have some common sense and control about how immigration works and let only approved people in. My preferred option is the fourth combined with a more developed Aid budget to help people in their indigenous countries.
     
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