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Featured Babylon The Great is not Jerusalem nor Israel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. tranquil

    tranquil Newbie

    Revelation/ prophecy in general, is written as a fractal / is deliberately ambiguous so as to facilitate the strong delusion. Put another way, people will take the mark of the beast, thinking that it is the mark of God. that is why as you pointed out, Adonikam ('the risen Lord') is 666. Would a deluded Christian take this mark? Of course!

    Along these same lines: Zech 14 is deliberately ambiguous. If you read it closely, Jesus is not rescuing people in Jerusalem.

    Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    Who are the exiles? These are the people that have been exiled due to the fact that the abomination army & abomination statue have chased them away! They are the faithful that are gathered at the end of the 2nd woe/ 6th trumpet.

    Who are the people that stay? the people who take the mark of the beast, who think that they are taking the mark of God, 'risen Lord'.

    3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.

    5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

    This is the 6th Trumpet war, all the holy ones are the 200,000,000 army (ref. Psalm 68:17's twice 10 thousand legions of angels/ 'messengers'.
    Contrary to what you are saying, the false prophet will indeed rule in Jerusalem in the 2nd set of 42 months. During the 1st set of 42 months, death (4th Horseman) will be given dominion over 1/4th the earth. During the 2nd set of 42 months, the white Horseman (who represents the new Cyrus: compare Rev 6
    Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

    with Isaiah 45
    “Cyrus is my anointed king.
    I take hold of his right hand.
    I give him the power
    to bring nations under his control.
    I help him strip kings of their power
    to go to war against him.

    I break city gates open so he can go through them.
    I say to him,
    2 ‘I will march out ahead of you.
    I will make the mountains level.
    I will break down bronze gates.
    I will cut through their heavy iron bars.
    3 I will give you treasures that are hidden away.
    I will give you riches that are stored up in secret places.
    Then you will know that I am the Lord.
    I am the God of Israel.
    I am sending for you by name.
    4 Cyrus, I am sending for you by name.
    I am doing it for the good of the family of Jacob.
    They are my servant.
    I am doing it for Israel.
    They are my chosen people.
    You do not know anything about me.
    But I am giving you a title of honor.​

    so just look for who people will be calling 'Cyrus'. anyway, the white horseman, new Cyrus will build the new temple - in the 2nd set of 42 months (probably takes 3 years). the false prophet will most likely tell people to worship the new Cyrus.

    Put another way, the obvious bad guy of the 1st set of 42 months becomes the means by which people/ Jews think that the new Cyrus/ white horseman is the messiah. That is why prophecy is set up as a fractal/ is deliberately ambiguous: so as to make people think that the messiah has come. Just as Zech 14 was worded to make you think that the messiah is ruling in Jerusalem, when in fact it doesn't really say that.
  2. Blade

    Blade Veteran Supporter

    Hmm the word was not written in English. Its written 600,60,6. Granted most manuscripts show 600,60,6 I think 4 that are not as old show 600,16,6. So.. I cant see anyone having that number. And.. I don't plan to be here to see.
  3. 1am3laine

    1am3laine Active Member

    United States
    mystery babylon in revelation 17 is secret societies that worship babylonian gods like the freemasons, kabbal, and illuminati.
  4. Revealing Times

    Revealing Times Well-Known Member

    And you were doing so good, it was BEAUTIFUL. Babylon the Great is a Mystical Principality. BOOM, nice equation.

    Then we get the Vatican is the Great Whore !!

    Your whole LOGIC on Babylon the Great was thus discounted and thrown away. Use the SAME LOGIC and reverse it on the other side of the coin.

    The Harlot is the MYSTICAL RELIGION of Satan that spreads wickedness throughout the world.

    Put all of your clues in one place, list them, then search for the Harlot.

    Its Mystical Religion (False Religion).
  5. Revealing Times

    Revealing Times Well-Known Member

    That would be the Harlot or Religions side, not the Governmental side.

    Babylon = False Governance of men following Satan.

    Harlot = False Religion and what ever that might ensue, such as you mentioned.
  6. buzuxi02

    buzuxi02 Veteran

    Eastern Orthodox
    Its currently Washington D.C.
  7. mathinspiration

    mathinspiration Active Member

    United States
    I thought it was the church in general.
  8. Jonathan Leo

    Jonathan Leo Well-Known Member

    I think your right Oscarr,
    If the beast who commands rich and poor, big (billionaires and governments) and small (normal business men and working class) to take the mark because nobody could buy and sell without it.
    If the beast then destroys the city and they lament over her.
    It’s because they have no control over their riches, and anything of value is also destroyed. They lose the power, status, etc