Babylon is the final kingdom the kingdom of the beast

[ewq1938]

Since the ten kings are associated with king 7 and 8 (both the seventh head before and after being mortally wounded ) the ten horns were probably on the seventh head.

If a fictitious animal has 7 heads, why would all 10 of it's horns be on only one head? That makes no sense.

The heads are areas of land where ten kings have kingdoms. They would be spread fairly evenly throughout the 7 mountains.

 

[Douggg]

If a fictitious animal has 7 heads, why would all 10 of it's horns be on only one head? That makes no sense.

This may sound complicated, but it is really simple - the little horn and the beast person are the same person, before and after being killed.

In Revelation 17:10, the first six head kings are accounted for as being historic to us. The seventh head king was yet to come in John's time.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So the seventh head king is end times - as being the little horn, and after being killed and brought back to life as the eighth king (the beast person), he continues the short space of 42 months (from Revelation 13:5).

There is no eighth head - so king eight, the beast person, is the previous seventh head king continuing the short space.

That seventh head king is associated with the ten horn kings - from the following before and after text.

1. Before he is killed. Daniel 7:8 the vision part, and Daniel 7:20 the explanation part. Which are about the ten horn kings and the little horn person. The ten horn kings and the little horn were in the head of the fourth beast (i.e. the fourth kingdom).

2. After he is killed (and comes back to life). Revelation 17:12, the ten horn kings are future of John's time, and will have power with the beast person for one hour (a figure of speech for a short time).

In Revelation 17:17 the ten horn kings agree to give their fourth kingdom (from Daniel 7) to the beast person.

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The fourth kingdom in its end times garb is the European union of nations. Considered a democracy now, but will become a dictatorship under the beast for that last 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

The heads are areas of land where ten kings have kingdoms. They would be spread fairly evenly throughout the 7 mountains.

The ten horn kings have ONE kingdom singular. Not kingdoms plural.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Rev 17:10-11 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.​

I am going to throw in a thought.

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven,​

I wonder whether the leaders/kings are actual men, not kingdoms. The reason being the beast, or man of sin, was a member of the seven, and he was a man.

The following text then may refer not to the time of John, but the time of the beast, or man of sin.

five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space​

Five leaders may have passed (not necessarily died, but moved on), and left their position. The beast could be any number of them, but not the seventh, who is yet to come.

The vision could be showing the state of the kingdom at the time of the beast, not the time of John. The kingdom may have only had six leaders when the beast is revealed, not yet seven.

 

[Douggg]

Five leaders may have passed (not necessarily died, but moved on), and left their position. The beast could be any number of them, but not the seventh, who is yet to come.

The beast (one of the seven heads) in Revelation 13 is mortally wounded, but healed.

Notice the wording about him in Revelation 13:5....

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Now go to Revelation 17:10, about king 7, the yet to come king...

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

king 7 will become the beast after being mortally wounded, but healed. Then, as the beast, king 8, he will continue the short space of 42 months.

 

[ewq1938]

In Revelation 17:10, the first six head kings are accounted for as being historic to us.

There is no such thing as a "head king". None of the heads are kings, they are mountains Rev 17. John saw the beast rise up with all 7 heads, not one or two heads.

 

[Douggg]

There is no such thing as a "head king". None of the heads are kings, they are mountains Rev 17. John saw the beast rise up with all 7 heads, not one or two heads.

The 7 heads represent both mountains and kings.

I used the term "head king" to differentiate between the horns which are also kings.

I don't know why you are commenting "not one or two heads", as no-one is making that claim.

 

[ewq1938]

The ten horn kings have ONE kingdom singular. Not kingdoms plural.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Each will be given a kingdom. That's ten kingdoms. Ten kings are not given one kingdom to share.

Rev_11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Christ will take all kingdoms as His.

 

[Douggg]

Each will be given a kingdom. That's ten kingdoms. Ten kings are not given one kingdom to share.

It says kingdom singular in the text of Revelation 17:17 kjv. Is that what it says in your bible?

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 heads represent both mountains and kings.

No, just mountains. The heads are mountains only, and the horns are kings only.

I don't know why you are commenting "not one or two heads", as no-one is making that claim.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Because scripture states that 6 of the 8 kings will have come and gone long before the 7th and 8th rise but scripture also says all 7 heads of the beast will exist at the same time. This further proves it is wrong to confuse the 7 heads of the beast and the 8 kings of Rev 17:10-11.

 

[ewq1938]

It says kingdom singular in the text of Revelation 17:17 kjv. Is that what it says in your bible?

Ten kings equals ten kingdoms. Each king will give up their one and singular kingdom.

If there is only one kingdom, how does Christ assume kingdoms plural?

 

[Douggg]

Because scripture states that 6 of the 8 kings will have come and gone long before the 7th and 8th rise but scripture also says all 7 heads of the beast will exist at the same time.

Based on what scripture ?

 

[Douggg]

Ten kings equals ten kingdoms.

Based on what scripture ?

 

[Douggg]

If there is only one kingdom, how does Christ assume kingdoms plural?

Because the verse you are quoting from Revelation 11:15 is talking about all of the kingdoms of the earth. Right now, there are 195 nations in the world.

The kingdom of the ten kings is the European union of nations.

 

[ewq1938]

Based on what scripture ?

That's already been presented. There are multiple kingdoms Christ will take over. Throughout the bible a king has a kingdom and two kings have two kingdoms etc. Ten kings does equal ten kingdoms and each of those kingdoms will be ruled over by Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Because the verse you are quoting from Revelation 11:15 is talking about all of the kingdoms of the earth. Right now, there are 195 nations in the world.

The kingdom of the ten kings is the European union of nations.

That's still ten kingdoms. In modern language we use governments etc. However, the ten kings do not have their ten kingdoms as yet because each king only receive their kingdom during that one hour.

 

[Douggg]

That's already been presented. There are multiple kingdoms Christ will take over. Throughout the bible a king has a kingdom and two kings have two kingdoms etc. Ten kings does equal ten kingdoms and each of those kingdoms will be ruled over by Christ.

You have not produced any scripture saying that the ten kings are over ten kingdoms.

Throughout the bible a king has a kingdom and two kings have two kingdoms etc.

Apparently, you have not read this verse regarding the kingdom of the ten kings.

Daniel 7:
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

[Douggg]

That's still ten kingdoms.

No, it is not. You are assuming that the ten kings are ten kings over ten European nations.

The ten kings will be a panel of men to rule the European union as a whole. And over them one king - the little horn person. The structure is not yet in place.

 

[ewq1938]

You have not produced any scripture saying that the ten kings are over ten kingdoms.

Ten kings giving up their kingdom proves they each have a kingdom, and Christ taking over multiple kingdoms further proves this.

 

[Douggg]

Ten kings giving up their kingdom proves they each have a kingdom

I underlined a part of your comment that is not true.

The ten kings are not giving their kingdoms plural to the beast.

and Christ taking over multiple kingdoms further proves this.

No, it doesn't. Jesus will take possession of all 195 nations of the world.

The kingdom of the beast and the ten kings will cease to exist when Jesus returns.

The European union of nations is an end times creation by the Europeans to not have a repeat of WWI and WWII which both started between individual European nations operating independently.

Originally formed as the European Common Market, then by a series treaties has gone through several stages to what it is today.