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Authorised King James Version

Discussion in 'Bibliology & Hermeneutics' started by Thunderchild, Feb 7, 2002.

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  1. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    Archaic Words in the NIV

    Ezra 9:5 -abasement- heaviness
    Is 24:23- abashed- confounded
    Ezek 40:18- abutted -over against
    2 Chr 15:14- acclamation -voice
    Is 13:8 -aghast -amazed
    Ezek 40:13 -alcove -little chamber
    2 Chr 13:22 -annotations -story
    Num 31:50 -armlets -chains
    Acts 2:6 -bewilderment -confounded
    Ps 58:7- blunted -cut in pieces
    Job 8:2 -blustering -strong
    Ps 93:4 -breakers -waves
    Ex 35:22 -brooches -bracelets
    Is 57:4 -brood- children
    Dan 10:6 -burnished -polished
    Rev 4:3- carnelian -sardine
    I Sam 13:5 -charioteers -horsemen
    Rev 18:12 -citron- thyine
    I Ki 7:6- colonnade -porch
    Ex 13:3- commemorate- remember
    Song 2:12 -cooing -voice
    I Ki 4:22 -cors- measures
    Gen 18:8- curds- butter
    Zec 6:6- dappled- gristled
    Gal 5:19 -debauchery -lasciviousness
    2 Sam 21:5 -decimated --destroyed
    Gen 40:6 -dejected -sad
    Is 44:20- deluded -deceived
    Matt 18:28- denarii- pence
    Matt 20:2 -denarius- penny
    Lev 21:12- desecrate -profane
    Jer 30:16 -despoil -give for a prey
    John 18:3- detachment- band
    Ezek 13:22- disheartened- sad
    Ps 7:14 -disillusionment -falsehood
    I Pet 4:4- dissipation -riot
    Ezra 2:69 -drachmas- drams
    Hab 1:15 -dragnet drag
    Lk 20:23 -duplicity craftiness
    Pro 28:12 -elation -glory
    Ecc 12:11- embedded- fastened
    Ps 73:21 -embitter -grieved
    Rom 2:20- embodiment- form
    Mk 14:31 -emphatically -vehemently
    2 Chr 30:22- encouragingly -comfortably
    Pro 23:10- encrouch- enter
    Ps 69:2 -engulf- overflow
    2 Chr 17:14 -enrollment -numbers
    Ps 45:11- enthralled- greatly desire
    Lk 9:34 -enveloped- overshadowed
    Eph 6:4 -exasperate- provoke
    Ezek 25:7 -exterminate- perish
    Is 14:8 -exult- rejoice
    1 Ki 16:21 -factions -parts
    Is 8:21 -famished -hungry
    1 Sam 28:24- fattened- fat
    Jude 16- faultfinders complainers
    Song 4:5 -fawns -roes
    Micah 2:2- fellowman -man
    Ex 5:1 -festival -feast
    I Sam 25:8 -festive- good
    Deut 27:6 -fieldstones -whole stones
    Acts 28:11 -figurehead -sign
    Ex 28:20 -filigree- enclosings
    Ezek 26:5- fishnets- nets
    Is 30:17 -flagstaff- beacon
    Ezek 34:21- flank -side
    Ps 89:47 -fleeting- short
    Acts 22:23 -flinging- threw
    Acts 5:40 -flogged- beaten
    Gen 7:11 -floodgates- windows
    Is 16:2- fluttering- wandering
    Is 59:13- fomenting -speaking
    Josh 2:23- forded- passed over
    Jude 25 -forevermore -for ever
    Ps 104:26 -frolic -play
    Is 27:9- fruitage -fruit
    Jer 46:20 -gadfly -destruction
    Is 24:8 -gaiety -mirth
    1 Sam 18:8 -galled -displeased
    Gen 19:1 -gateway -gate
    Gen 41:3 -gaunt -leanfleshed
    Job 16:8 -gauntness -leanness
    Lev 11:30- gecko -ferret
    Ex 2:12- glancing- looked
    Hab 3:11 -glint -light
    Job 41:32- glistcning -shine
    Ps 30:1- gloat- rejoice
    Job 10:21 -gloom -darkness
    Ezek 39:19 -glutted- full
    Is 51:17- goblet -cup
    Gen 14:1- goiim -nations
    James 3:12- grapevine -vine
    Rev 20:14 -Hades -hell
    Is 28:24 -harrowing -break the clods
    Ps 44:19- haunt- place
    Gen 2:10- headwaters- heads
    Lev 11:19- hoopoe -lapwing
    Ezek 17:17 -horde -army
    Deut 14:5- ibex -pygarg
    2 Tim 2:20 --ignoble -dishonour
    Ezra 6:11- impaled -hanged
    I Cor 15:50 -imperishable- incorruption
    Hab 1:6 -impetuous -hasty
    Amos 6:5- improvise- invent
    1 Chr 21:1 -incited -provoked
    Pro 9:7 i-ncurs -getteth
    Heb 7:16 -indestructible -endless
    Mk 10:41- indignant -displeased
    1 Cor 12:22- indispensable -necessary
    Is 44:11- infamy -ashamed
    2 Chr 12:3 -innumerable -without number
    Jer 48:30- insolence -wrath
    Rom 1:30- insolent -despiteful
    2 Ki 2:23 -jeered -mocked
    2 Chr 34:11- joists- couplings
    Deut 18:3 -jowls- cheeks
    1 Sam 10:16 -kingship- kingdom
    Acts 27:30- lifeboat -boat
    Matt 2:1- magi -wise men
    Jer 49:25- mainstay- chief
    Job 12:6- marauders- robbers
    Job 32:14- marshaled- directed
    1 Sam 13:20- mattocks -courter
    Job 13:12- maxiums -remembrances
    Ps 81:2 -melodious- pleasant
    Ezra 6:2- memorandum- record
    Lk 19:16 -mina -pound
    Acts 18:14 -misdemeanor- wrong
    Rom 16:18 -naive -simple
    Est 2:10 -nationality -people
    Is 40:23 -naught -nothing
    Gen 12:9 -Negev -south
    Gen 6:4 -Nephilim -giants
    2 Sam 19:7 -nightfall- night
    2 Sam 4:5 -noonday- noon
    Dan 11:43- Nubians -Ethiopians
    Job 22:24- nuggets -gold
    Lam 4:5 -nurtured- brought
    Ezek 27:26- oarsmen- rowers
    Ps 88:12- oblivion- forgetfulness
    Eph 5:4- obscenity filthiness
    Ex 29:14 -offal --dung
    2 Ki 17:32- officiate -sacrificed
    Mk 6:1- opportune -convenient
    Job 28:2 -ore -stone
    Ps 49:16 -overawed -afraid
    Is 16:6 -overweening -very
    Deut 22:8 -parapet -battlement
    Lk 23:9 -piled- questioned
    Deut 32:11 -pinions -wings
    Est 1:6- porphyry -red
    Is 20:3- portent -wonder
    1 Ki 6:3 -portico- porch
    2 Ki 20:7 -poultice -lump
    Matt 27:27- Praetorium- common hall
    Dan 3:3 -prefects -governors
    Acts 13:8 -proconsul- deputy
    Deut 21:20 -profligate -glutton
    Ezek 16:26- promiscuity- whoredoms
    Jude 12 -qualm -fear
    Num 11:4 -rabble- mixed multitude
    Hab 2: 11 -ramparts -tower
    Gen 49:14 -rawboned -strong
    Ex 8:14 -reeked -stank
    1 Sam 13:21- repointing -sharpen
    Pro 14:33 -reposes -resteth
    Gal 2:9 -reputed- seemed
    I Chr 16:32- resound -roar
    Ps 76:4 -resplendent -glorious
    Neh 9:25 -reveled -delighted themselves
    Is 22:13 -revelry -gladness
    Jer 2:30- revening -destroying
    Jer 2:6 -rifts -pits
    Song 1:13 -sachet- bundle
    Est 3:12 -satraps -lieutenants
    Ps 68:13 -sheathed- covered
    Ecc 9:14- siegeworks- bulwarks
    Ps 116:6 -simplehearted -simple
    2 Sam 6:5 -sistrums- cornets
    Mk 4:37 -squall- storm of wind
    Rev 14:20 -stadia -furlongs
    Song 2:9 -stag hart
    Deut 4:45 -stipulations testimonies
    1 Sam 7:9 -suckling s-ucking
    I Ki 21:5- sullen -sad
    I Tim 3:11 -temperate -sober
    Ps 55:8 -tempest -storm
    Hos 4:13- terebinth- elms
    2 Ki 7:10 -tethered -tied
    Lk 3:16- thong- latchet
    Is 55:13 -thornbush -thorn
    Ps 81:7 -thundercloud -thunder
    2 Tim 1:7 -timidity -fear
    Is 1:31- tinder- tow
    Rev 12:15- torrent -flood
    Ecc 4:6 -tranquillity- quietness
    Phil 4:7 -transcends- passeth
    Ezek 17:10 -transplanted- planted
    Song 7:5 -tresses -galleries
    1 Sam 14:19- tumult -noise
    Gen 49:4 -turbulent unstable
    Pro 28:16 -tyrannical -oppressor
    Is 54:14 -tyranny -oppression
    2 Ki 19:6 -underlings -servants
    2 Ki 24:1 -vassal- servant
    Job 15:25 -vaunts -strengtheneth
    Job 20:23 -vent -cast
    Song 1:16- verdant -green
    Ezra 3:10 -vestments -apparel
    Ps 112:10- vexed -grieved
    Num 34:5 -wadi -river
    1 Sam 15:2- waylaid -laid wait for
    Hosea 14:4- waywardness- backsliding
    Joel- weakling weak
    Job 5:13- wily --froward
    Is 29:6- windstorm -storm
    Gen 32:25- wrenched -out of joint
    Matt 21:41- wretches -wicked men
    Is 11:6 -yearling -fatling
  2. kezekiel

    kezekiel New Member

    Say what?!
  3. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

    United States
    This reminds me of the time I heard a backwoods evangelist say, "When Moses split the waters and the Children of Israel followed him into the midst thereof, he had the King James Bible in one hand, and a American flag in the other!"

    The only problem was, he was serious! :eek:
    And you're saying, ed, that all of this has transpired simply because of the arrival of different English translations apart from the King James, and it has nothing to do with any other factors???

    If the KJV is the "only" inspired version, what about all those poor people in the world who don't speak or read English? They go without a Bible?
  4. filosofer

    filosofer Senior Veteran

    I do not promote (nor tear down) the NIV. However, since you bring up this issue, let's look at Genesis 6:4. Actually neither the NIV nor the KJV technically "translate" the word.

    Nephilim is a transliteration of the Hebrew word.

    Giants is a transliteration of the Septuagint word used here, GIGANTES.

    So, looks like this one is a draw. :)

    So which one reflects the "original? The Hebrew or the Septuagint?
  5. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    Yea hath God said...?
    There is great debate over whether or not the King James (Authorized 1611) Version of the Bible is the preserved Word of God in the English language. God has promised to preserve His Word. Has He failed? Have we been using the wrong Bible for over three hundred years? Or, is the real issue with the new modern versions (over 60 of them) and the manuscripts that underly them?

    God has foretold that there would be a famine of the Word in the last days. "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:" (Amos 8:11) Are we in those days of famine? Is the "word" that is being preached from the pulpits, over the air-waves and on the street-corners, in fact, the inerrant Word of God?

    It appears that with the numerous Bible versions available (many of which are in direct conflict with each other), one has to ponder whether, in fact, we do indeed have "the words of the Lord." Or have we gone full circle back to the Garden of Eden, where the serpent (lucifer) first cast doubt on God's words by asking, "Yea, hath God said...?"

    "He that hath an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches." Revelation 2:29

    God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, all this confusion surrounding the many versions cannot be from God. Christians cannot gullibly accept all the new (conflicting and confusing) versions as God's Word to man. "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." (I Corinthians 14:38)

    How can we know which Bible is God's Word preserved in the English language, according to His promise (Psalm 12:6-7)? II Timothy 2:15 tells us to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

    Have you done that? Have you studied the issue for yourself? It is vain to accept what others say -whether Pastor, Missionary, teacher or friend - without verifying first that their comments are indeed factual. This statement is not meant to cast doubt on your Pastor, but to encourage you to study and search out the truth for yourself.("...God is no respecter of persons." Acts 14:38) ("These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they {the Bereans} received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11)

    Please don't fall for the false doctrine that all Bible versions are equally acceptable. They do not agree with each other and therefore cannot all be God's Word. All Bible versions do not come from the same manuscript sources and some manuscripts differ in thousands of places with each other. Again we pose the question, "has God failed in preserving His Word?"

    If you are a pastor or teacher using a modern version, it is your duty to verify , without a shadow of doubt, if you do indeed posses God's preserved Word, or, if it is a corrupted paraphrase. Check the manuscript sources that your version was translated from. Be prepared to find out some shocking and disturbing information about what you think is the Word of God - and also about the so-called "Christian" translators, lexiconographers, word stylist, etc.

    The fight against corrupt Bible versions is not new; it began in the third century (circa 240 A.D.) with Origen Adamantius (the original Bible "editor;" who came from Alexandria, Egypt - home of the most edited and altered Bible manuscripts in the world) and continues to the present day. Origen did not believe in the diety of the Lord Jesus Christ or the doctrine of the Trinity, therefore he edited (removed) references to these out of original Greek manuscripts. It is from these manuscripts that the "modern" versions arise.

    The modern attacks on the Word of God began with the publication of the English Revised Version in 1885, and its U.S. counterpart, the American Standard Version in 1901. These blatant attacks against the Word of God continue to the present day; the worst offenders being the New International Version (NIV) and The Living Bible (an insulting paraphrase). The "New" King James Version is nothing new, but is based on the same corrupt New Testament manuscripts as the NIV, et al.

    Most Bible readers, including Pastors, laymen, and so-called scholars, are apparently unaware that the Greek text underlying the translation of the NIV, NASV, NKJV, et al (the Westcott-Hort Text) differs from the Greek text underlying the KJV (the Textus Receptus) in over 5,000 instances.

    Don't take our word for it (or the words of those around you). You are ultimately responsible for your own actions and what you believe. Make sure you have answered the question of whether or not the King James Bible is the preserved Word of God, or if it is the new, modern versions; they all can't be.

    Do you indeed posses a "Holy" Bible? Research it for yourself. We have supplied several informative links that should prove quite sufficient in assisting you in drawing an informed and educated conclusion. We strongly urge you to pray, sincerely, before undertaking such research and study. We exhort you not to lay this matter aside without first verifying the facts. Study! "Study to shew thyself approved unto God..."

    Some accuse Textus Receptus and King James Bible believers of "worshiping the translation" instead of the author - who is God. This tactic of attacking the messenger is usually employed when the attacker cannot refute the message. If you feel that we are wrong in our understanding of the modern versions, then please present documented, factual evidence to refute our position.

    "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth:
    for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
    Psalm 138:2
  6. camaro540

    camaro540 Regular Member

    Hey Ed

    Whats going on here?
    Your starting to sound like me... LOL ;)

    Take a look at what your saying here. I remember a time a few
    years ago I went throw this same thing. NIV/NKJV/ and all the
    others.... I was just freaking out because I thought everyone
    was being led astray, being lied to.

    Then, one day I desided to go out and buy a strongs,
    and just take a look. Well, lo and behold, the AKJ wasn't even
    close either..... HHhmmm.....

    I am now studying Hebrew with an instructor, and have the
    original manuscipts on hand. I will tell you one thing.....
    There is no way that anyone who can't read and understand
    Hebrew is going to get the whole meaning, and understanding
    from the KJ/AKJ/NIV or any other english Bible for that matter
    without Gods help.

    I will also add, that in my personal opinion, I think most of the
    english versions are pretty good, and if someone is truely seeking
    Gods knowledge, and Will, He will give them understanding.

    I would also like to add once again, that without Jesus Christ,
    no one makes it to heaven. All of Gods word is very important,
    and its very good to have a working knowledge of it, but if we
    don't apply it in our lives, all that knowledge does us no good
    anyway.... Right?

    I believe that Matthew chapters 5-7 are the foundation to our
    salvation. I have checked these out in just about all of the popular
    versions out today, and they are right. And like I say, if a person
    is truely seeking God, God will not lead them astray.

    Just my $50 worth........ LOL


    If the King James is so good, why did they translate passover
    to easter?
    Or Judges and Rulers to God?

    I have many more if you'd like them......
  7. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    Filosofer> Just one point regarding the NIV -

    2 Chronicles 3:15 Also he made before the house two pillars of thirty and five cubits high, and the chapiter that [was] on the top of each of them [was] five cubits. AKJV - most versions match.

    2 Chronicles 3:15 And he maketh at the front of the house two pillars, thirty and five cubits in length, and the ornament that [is] on their heads five cubits.. Young's (for instance)

    What on Earth is the HNV Bible?

    2 Chronicles 3:15 In the front of the temple he made two pillars, which [together] were thirty-five cubits long, each with a capital on top measuring five cubits. Note that in the printed versions, the word "together" is not marked with square brackets - only with the lower 1/3 of square brackets - unless you are looking for them, you won't see them

    New English Version changes thirty five to eighteen.
  8. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    If you are a pastor or teacher using a modern version, it is your duty to verify , without a shadow of doubt, if you do indeed posses God's preserved Word, or, if it is a corrupted paraphrase. Check the manuscript sources that your version was translated from. Be prepared to find out some shocking and disturbing information about what you think is the Word of God - and also about the so-called "Christian" translators, lexiconographers, word stylist, etc.

    Indeed - verify what is written for accuracy - but there is no need to check against the AV for that information. No matter how corrupted a given Bible may be, it can't hide the fact that an alteration has been made - internal evidence is usually enough to prove that it has been done. I have not found the AV to be more reliable than any other, just more difficult to understand.

    A poor translation is better for use than a version that has its meaning obscured by archaic word meanings, syntax, and grammar generally. If the version is verified to be accurate, the version (on the passage in question), is a valid teaching tool. As you say, it is incumbent upon the teacher to be sure that what is being taught is accurate.
  9. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    A good number of the words in that list are identical in meaning.

    Some of the words in that list have changed meaning since 1611 - for them, the current word matches the meaning that the AV word had in 1611 - for others, the reverse is true.

    2 000 years ago, the penny didn't exist. The AV changed the word to (horror of horrors :eek: - how dare they :rolleyes: ) make it more easily understandable without having to explain it -the very thing that the AKJVers complain about with the Good News and New International versions.

    Some ( a few ) of the changes would in fact change the meaning of a passage. However, without a thorough check, it is not possible to state which changes are valid and which are not.
  10. Navigator

    Navigator Pizzagator...

    Nope... He continues to preserve His word... he didn't stop in 1611...

  11. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    The new versions are only supported by about five of the over 5,000 manuscripts of Bible text. Critics of the Bible claim that these manuscripts are better than those used by the translators of the Authorized Version. This is not so.

    The two most prominent of these, Vaticanus, which is sole property of the Roman Catholic Church, and Sinaiticus are both known to be overwhelmed with errors. It is said that Sinaiticus has been corrected and altered by as many as ten different writers. In Vaticanus is found the evidence of very sloppy workmanship. Time and again words and whole phrases are repeated twice in succession or completely omitted. While the entire manuscript has had the text mutilated by some person or persons who ran over every letter with a pen making exact identification of many of the characters impossible.

    Both manuscripts contain uninspired, anti-scriptural books which are not found in the Bible.

    The only place where these error laden, unreliable manuscripts excel is in the quality of the materials used on them. They have good bindings and fine animal skin pages. Their physical appearance, contrary to their worthless texts, are really rather attractive. But then we have all heard the saying, "You can't tell a book by it's cover". The covers are beautiful but their texts are reprehensible.

    And yet in spite of these well known corruptions, they are the basis for many new versions such as the New American Standard Version and the New International Version rendering these versions critically flawed and unreliable.

    The manuscripts represented by the King James Bible have texts of the highest quality. So we see that the best manuscripts are those used by the King James translators.

    Psalm 12
    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
  12. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    Timothy 2:15 tells us to Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Have you done that? Have you studied the issue for yourself? It is vain to accept what others say -whether Pastor, Missionary, teacher or friend - without verifying first that their comments are indeed factual. This statement is not meant to cast doubt on your Pastor, but to encourage you to study and search out the truth for yourself....

    Neither the one who posted this, nor the one who promulgated it in the first place, have realised that "study" by the valid 1611 definitions of the word actually means - in this passage and context - BE DILIGENT.

    They read the 1611 word - they apply a 20-21st century definition - they draw a completely erroneous conclusion regarding the meaning of the passage. It is the QUINTESSENTIAL EXAMPLE of what I was saying about reading a version of the Bible that you can understand.

    But even not knowing the correct definition for the word "study" is not entirely an explanation for the error - for the verse includes the words "a workman who need not be ashamed" - not to mention that it is part of a paragraph which begins at verse 11 and continues through to verse 18.

    The worst aspect of the whole schemozzle though - What they are saying in the paragraph that is based on this erroneous interpretation is entirely correct.
  13. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    EdJones> Perhaps you could post one or three examples which show that the rendering of the NAS (for example) is fatally flawed, but the King James is accurate. This may save time and difficulty. Screeds of opinion won't do anywhere near as much good for your cause as a few well chosen concrete examples.
  14. filosofer

    filosofer Senior Veteran

    Ah, so which "five" are you speaking about of the "over 5,000 manuscripts"?

    "Both known to be overwhelmed with errors" - by what standard are you making this assessment? Are you sure that the "text mutilated" assessment is correct? How do you know?

    So, are you speaking of the Apocrypha? Perhaps you would like to explain why the KJV of 1611 had the Apocrypha as part of it.

    Is this your assessment of the manuscripts? Have you "seen" them? Where? How did you get permission to examine them?

    Again, you have "declared" that there are corruptions. What standard are you using?

    Exactly which manuscripts are you claiming this for? No two manuscripts agree in every point. So, how do you decide which ones are "correct" or "best"?

    And what is your assessment of "best" based on? The fact that the KJV uses them as a base? What about the manuscripts that were the basis for the last part of Revelation? Do you consider the Vulgate (Latin translation by Jerome) to be the inspired text, since that is where Erasmus got those verse? If so, do you accept the Apocrypha that Jerome included int he Vulagte?
  15. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    2 Timothy 2
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. NIV © Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society. All rights reserved.

    2 Timothy 2
    Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. NASB © Copyright 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, Calif. All rights reserved.

    2 Timothy 2
    15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. NKJV © Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. All rights reserved.

    2 Timothy 2
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
  16. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

    That's right EdJones - they all say the same thing. It is just that since 1611, the concept of the word "study" has changed to the point that it gives an entirely wrong impression when it is read with the expectation that it means the same now that it did then.
  17. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

    United States
    You speak, of course, of the Deuterocanonical, or the so-called "Apocryphal" books of the Greek Septuagint, which gives rise to the question: considered to be uninspired and anti-scriptural by whom??? Martin Luther and John Calvin certainly, but not by 99.99999% of all Christendom prior to 1534.
    Two points here: the translators of the KJV did indeed use the best manuscripts available to them----in 1611. In the 390 years since, dozens of ancient manuscripts of biblical books have been discovered, vastly adding to the body available for comparison and criticism. Secondly, the fact that the translators hired by James I had access to the best manuscripts available at the time doesn't mean that the translation they produced was of infallible quality. Any comparison of the King James with extant Hebrew or Greek texts will render in excess of about 20,000 translational errors. Most of them small, granted---but a few of them not. :)
  18. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    A characteristic of the new Bible versions is found in the way that virtually every one of them alters Scriptures which plainly teach the Deity of our Lord Jesus. In some cases the teaching is watered down, and in others it is eliminated by altering the punctuation or by deceitful scholarship.

    KJV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten Son, . . . He hath declared Him."

    NASV John 1:18 -- "The only begotten God, . . . He has explained Him."

    NWT (Jehovah's Witness) --"The only begotten God, . . . is the one that has explained Him." The Amplified Bible -- "The only unique Son, (f), the only begotten God, . . . hath made Him known." (f) Footnote. "Supported by a great mass of ancient evidence (Vincent)."

    By substituting "God" for "Son" the latter three of the above four translations change the glorious truth of God into a lie.

    If Christ is really a "begotten God," then the great truth regarding His Deity is invalidated. This rendering delights the heart of the "Unitarian" and the "Jehovah Witness", neither of which believe in the Deity of our Lord Jesus.

    The New American Standard Version shares the dubious distinction of standing shoulder to shoulder with the Jehovah Witness's Bible at this and many, many other points of alteration.
  19. filosofer

    filosofer Senior Veteran

    So if the LDS use the Ezekiel from the KJV then we should discard the KJV or claim that it is "dubious"? Not quite.
  20. edjones

    edjones Active Member

    Rom. 14:10-12 KJV -- "For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . . so then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

    Here is another very plain statement of the Deity of our Lord Jesus. We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . .to give account of ourselves to GOD. The teaching is obvious.

    The NASV once again joins with its cousin, the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses, and others; to eliminate this plain statement of our Lord's Deity.

    The process employed is very simple. The judgment set of CHRIST, is altered to read "The judgment seat of GOD." Now their version no longer clearly teaches His Deity at this point.

    Away back in history when the original mutilators of the Scripture produced the ancestor of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, the criminals slipped up and left evidence of their crime. They forgot to mutilate II Cor. 5:10. Which reads in the "oldest and best"? manuscripts, "the judgment seat of CHRIST" at this point.

    Our modern scholars, blindly following their corrupt texts, follow them into the mutilation of Romans 14:10-12; perhaps not realizing that in so doing they create a clear contradiction in their new versions. NASV, New World Translation, and many others, bow obediently, to the dictates of dead rationalistic theologians.

    NASV, New World, and most of the other leave II Cor. 5:10 to read "The judgment seat of Christ."
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