Australia votes Yes for same-sex “marriage”

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Me either, but some people are suggesting they think it's right to impose Christian based laws and that if you disagree, you're not a "real Christian"
Yes, some people say that. I'd wager that those people would also very likely be saying that Roy Moore is telling the truth and the nine women who have come forward so far are all Democrat stooges. That speaks for itself (if it is so). The US Supreme Court was right to overturn state marriage laws what sought to impose specifically Christian morals on to their state populations. Australia's citizens have decided to change the law in Australia to allow same-sex couples to marry. It is a done deal though the changes in the law are yet to pass through the two houses of the federal parliament.
 
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And we must ask ourselves, what is our view of the Kingdom of God. Is it a new Kingdom in the nature of the Kingdoms of this world, simply with God in charge, OR is it a new way of authority. The first way of thinking brought us Charlemagne, the Crusades, and many other virtuous (?) pursuits, and the second way produces St Mother Theresa of Calcutta, and many others.

The great moments of power in the new kingdom are seen in the crucified and in the child in a manger. Christian lives should bear witness to the love of God, and that can be hard to discern amongst those who want to force their answer on everyone else. As Christians we are called to be ambassadors for Christ, and we must decide if that means we are to welcome people into the Kingdom, or simply choose to act as God's bouncers.

Faith, hope and love, abound, and the greatest of these is love.
 
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not the same at all
It's exactly the same.
On one hand, there is a business owner with a religious objection to providing service to a minority and face the dilemma of following their religion and risk prosecution for their choice to discriminate.
On the other hand, there is a business owner with a religious objection to providing service to a minority and face the dilemma of following their religion and risk prosecution for their choice to discriminate.
 
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The thing is, even if secular law on marriage were to perfectly mirror God's will, it wouldn't save anybody.

We cannot legislate people into salvation; we can only invite them and let them choose for themselves.
 
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It's exactly the same.
On one hand, there is a business owner with a religious objection to providing service to a minority and face the dilemma of following their religion and risk prosecution for their choice to discriminate.
On the other hand, there is a business owner with a religious objection to providing service to a minority and face the dilemma of following their religion and risk prosecution for their choice to discriminate.
The difference is one is an objection to a specific event, the other is an objection to a class of people.
 
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[Staff edit].

We no longer live in a Christian culture. We need to work out how to live as a faithful minority, accepting that most of our neighbours will not share our worldview, our values, our morals, our hopes or our joy; and that we cannot force them to.
 
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I am closing this for staff review.

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Same-Sex Marriage and Gay Rights and Transgenderism/Transexualism: Discussion of these topics must comply with the sitewide rule barring the promotion of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and transgenderism/transexualism. Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal, historical and civil rights issues, and should not be directed toward the morality of homosexuality or same-sex marriage or transgenderism/transexualism.​

There is flaming and name calling which is not okay, either.

 
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It is interesting how the situation can be twisted around from homosexuals trying to force Christians to be involved in their ungodly practices to Christians somehow forcing homosexuals to do something.

I think we need to keep the situation in historical perspective. It's within living memory of all but the youngest of us that homosexual sex was illegal in some parts of Australia. The use of force has been the province of (mostly) Christians for a long long time.

Now LGBTIQA folks are trying to establish their right to an equal place in a pluralistic secular society. That some Christians indulge in moral outrage at that is not really the fault of the LGBTIQA folks.
 
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It is interesting how the situation can be twisted around from homosexuals trying to force Christians to be involved in their ungodly practices to Christians somehow forcing homosexuals to do something.
In fairness, the proposition does not make single gender marriage compulsory, and certainly not that it should be obligatory for anybody to be involved. The legal expectations for Christians, and indeed for all Australians, is that we treat all people with the dignity they are due under the law.

I have listened to reasonable people (and some unreasonable) on both sides of the question, and perhaps older people have taken a position based on the inherited tradition, and an understanding of Faith and Scripture, for the most part I think younger people have seen it as a Social Justice issue.

We live in a democracy, and a voluntary postal survey gained responses from 79.5% of the population, which is a significant participation rate. Of those who responded, 61.6% believed that the law should be changed. Voting demographics suggest that older people supported it nearly as much as younger people, and the sociologists suggest older people were supporting friends and family.

Some of the ungodly practices may have been the way some Christians and others treated gay people in the past. We live in an time of social change, perhaps faster and less helpful and more stressful than at any time in the past. Each human being whether they be gay or straight, male or female, bond or free, black or white, president or prisoner, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic, is according to our theology a bearer of the image and the likeness of God, the hallmark of the Father's making, and an object of Christ's love and mission. None of us are perfect for all have sinned and are falling short of the glory of God.

In a very real sense for us as Christian Australians, we are called to be part of this new Kingdom, and act as incarnational ambassadors of this love and mission in our society. We will no doubt need to make some adjustments, for we are bridge builders, and whilst heaven is solid and remains firm, the other side of the bridge is moving. We are called to accept the will of the people, which does not mean that we have to conduct single gender marriages in our faith communities, however we will be required to respect those relationships in a number of areas of life.

I believe we can still be quite salty in this new world, however salt is generally best used in moderation as we do not want to end up like Lot's wife.

For us, the reality is, the tribe has spoken. If we and the gospel we proclaim are to be heard inside our community, then we will need to be prepared to show some respect for that community. I have no doubt that there will be some difficulties for some Christians as we adjust to the new realities. I suspect that some of this is the challenge of being Christian in a post-Christian era.
 
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Voting demographics suggest that older people supported it nearly as much as younger people, and the sociologists suggest older people were supporting friends and family.

Data I've seen suggests that older voters said "no" more often. And there was substantial regional variation: Queensland and Western Sydney said "no."

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If we and the gospel we proclaim are to be heard inside our community, then we will need to be prepared to show some respect for that community.

There isn't just one "community" in Australia.
 
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There isn't just one "community" in Australia.

That's true enough, but so is Philip's point. If we go out of our way to be nasty to people going about their lives, how will they ever see anything we have to say as "good news"?
 
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Data I've seen suggests that older voters said "no" more often. And there was substantial regional variation: Queensland and Western Sydney said "no."

The variations seem to suggest that there was a higher NO vote among new Australians and the first generation children, and this changed mainly to support friends and family. The geographic concentration of a NO vote in 12 seats in Western Sydney, quite possibly reflects some of that demographic issue, however I believe that there is a significant social cohesion issue, that the leadership of our community needs to address. You are right to note it, however I think we need to look at how we handle social integration.
 
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Its not legal in God's eyes. That's all that matters.

It's going to be another hurdle for the next generations of God's Children to walk through.

Thank God He will lead the way through the valley of the shadow of death.

It's the darkest before the dawn.

May Christ Jesus come soon, until then we have fruit to produce.
 
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This is such an important topic, so I'm glad that Jesus himself addressed the issue while on this planet. Oh, wait, that's right, he never said anything about it. He talked a lot about loving each other and not judging.
 
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why is it only christianity that the left and homosexuals are attacking for homophobia and same sex marriage. the left and homosexuals never cry about same sex marriage in other religions...its like the left and the homosexuals have an agenda to destroy christianity.
 
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