Australia keeping thousands of children in concentration camps
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but
tell that to indigenous aboriginal people that were
brutally massacred and had their land stolen.
the british empire were a bunch of mass murderers,
thieves, drug smugglers, and slave traders.
Drug-smuggling, slavery and war... the brutal history behind Britain's love for a cup of tea | Daily Mail Online
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Genocide, the British don’t want you to know about – They systematically starved to death over 60 millions of Eastern Indians!
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A few points to ask yourself.
It's interesting that these people trying to enter illegally have traveled through many countries before reaching Indonesia and putting their lives in the hands of criminals. Why didn't they seek asylum in one of those countries they traveled through? If they had all this money to pay the criminals why didn't they use it to fly to Australia and apply for asylum at the airport? Or use it to resettle in another country neighboring the country they're fleeing?
The plight of the children is unfortunate but they only have their parents to blame. Should the country they intend to enter illegally be responsible for mopping up the bad decisions of their parents? If yes, why?
If you want to let every asylum seeker in on compassionate grounds then are you willing to let some die attempting to get to Australia? Does that sit well with your conscience? How many will you let in? 10000? 100000? How many are you ok about drowning on the way, 1000? 100000?
What about other refugees waiting in other camps in different parts of the world who have applied to Australia for asylum. Are they not deserving to enter as well? If about 20000 refugees are accepted every year, why should a family who have been waiting for a long time in one of these camps miss out on a place in the intake because others have tried to bypass the process and enter illegally? What gives those who do this illegally the right to cut in ahead of others who are also waiting in camps? Do you want to make the judgement call on who to let in each year as a refugee? What would be your criteria? Would it be who got to Australia first, or whoever had the best case for being a refugee? How would you decide who is a refugee and who isn't? Would a verbal account be sufficient? But people lie, it's human nature. Are you ok with some people lying to be a refugee when there are genuine refugees who miss out on the annual intake because of the ones who lie?
While a detention center set up by Australia and Nauru would not be the happiest place to live it would still be better than other refugee camps in other countries. Read up about the sexual assault rates in refugee camps in south Sudan for eg. Those camps truly are hell holes. Shouldn't a person living in a camp under those conditions be more deserving?
Some asylum seekers are from Afghanistan, why not go to Pakistan? Some are from Syria, why not go to a neighboring middle eastern country? Some refugees are Sri Lankan- tamils - there's no civil War in Sri Lanka and a large Tamil population in south India - why not go to India?
Are you also disgusted with all the other middle eastern countries who have refused to take in refugees? Arab countries are not that interested in helping fellow arabs - they leave it up to western countries - do you think that's fair?
People make decisions and take risks all the time. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it fails and they have to adjust their lives accordingly. To pay for your family to be smuggled in is a huge risk - one result could be death! If it doesn't go according to plan then why is Australia the bad guy?
Human nature being what it is, it's obvious that many are economic immigrants. Should a first world country have open borders just because the citizens of less developed countries want to go there? Don't the citizens of the first world country get to to have a say? Or is that not allowed because = racism. Isn't it the duty of the government to first ensure the safety and well being of its own citizens? And then look to help the world? Australia is an incredibly tolerant nation, despite what you may have been taught in school.
Compassion is a noble virtue but I hope all the points I've raised show you there's no simple solution. You want to be compassionate but have you considered all the ramifications? Some of the consequences are down right not compassionate at all.
It's interesting that these people trying to enter illegally have traveled through many countries before reaching Indonesia and putting their lives in the hands of criminals. Why didn't they seek asylum in one of those countries they traveled through? If they had all this money to pay the criminals why didn't they use it to fly to Australia and apply for asylum at the airport? Or use it to resettle in another country neighboring the country they're fleeing?
The plight of the children is unfortunate but they only have their parents to blame. Should the country they intend to enter illegally be responsible for mopping up the bad decisions of their parents? If yes, why?
If you want to let every asylum seeker in on compassionate grounds then are you willing to let some die attempting to get to Australia? Does that sit well with your conscience? How many will you let in? 10000? 100000? How many are you ok about drowning on the way, 1000? 100000?
What about other refugees waiting in other camps in different parts of the world who have applied to Australia for asylum. Are they not deserving to enter as well? If about 20000 refugees are accepted every year, why should a family who have been waiting for a long time in one of these camps miss out on a place in the intake because others have tried to bypass the process and enter illegally? What gives those who do this illegally the right to cut in ahead of others who are also waiting in camps? Do you want to make the judgement call on who to let in each year as a refugee? What would be your criteria? Would it be who got to Australia first, or whoever had the best case for being a refugee? How would you decide who is a refugee and who isn't? Would a verbal account be sufficient? But people lie, it's human nature. Are you ok with some people lying to be a refugee when there are genuine refugees who miss out on the annual intake because of the ones who lie?
While a detention center set up by Australia and Nauru would not be the happiest place to live it would still be better than other refugee camps in other countries. Read up about the sexual assault rates in refugee camps in south Sudan for eg. Those camps truly are hell holes. Shouldn't a person living in a camp under those conditions be more deserving?
Some asylum seekers are from Afghanistan, why not go to Pakistan? Some are from Syria, why not go to a neighboring middle eastern country? Some refugees are Sri Lankan- tamils - there's no civil War in Sri Lanka and a large Tamil population in south India - why not go to India?
Are you also disgusted with all the other middle eastern countries who have refused to take in refugees? Arab countries are not that interested in helping fellow arabs - they leave it up to western countries - do you think that's fair?
People make decisions and take risks all the time. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it fails and they have to adjust their lives accordingly. To pay for your family to be smuggled in is a huge risk - one result could be death! If it doesn't go according to plan then why is Australia the bad guy?
Human nature being what it is, it's obvious that many are economic immigrants. Should a first world country have open borders just because the citizens of less developed countries want to go there? Don't the citizens of the first world country get to to have a say? Or is that not allowed because = racism. Isn't it the duty of the government to first ensure the safety and well being of its own citizens? And then look to help the world? Australia is an incredibly tolerant nation, despite what you may have been taught in school.
Compassion is a noble virtue but I hope all the points I've raised show you there's no simple solution. You want to be compassionate but have you considered all the ramifications? Some of the consequences are down right not compassionate at all.
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Instead of arguing back against deflections and excuses ("Are you also disgusted with all the other Middle Eastern [or other?] countries that have refused to take refugees?"... erm, why else do you think the asylum seekers didn't stay in the countries they travelled through, many of which don't provide effective protection or long-term safety for them? — "Australia is an incredibly tolerant nation, despite what you may have been taught in school"... um... I am Australian; I know both the good and the bad aspects of Australian society pretty well from over three decades' worth of living there, not merely from being "taught in school", thanks)...
... how about some more facts from people and organisations that work with asylum seekers in Australia and know a lot more firsthand about these issues than I do?
Mythbusters Archives - Refugee Council of Australia
Refugee Facts - Asylum Seekers Facts | Australian Red Cross
Who are Australia's 'boat people', and why don't they get on planes?
https://www.alws.org.au/media/wysiw..._and_asylum_seekers_-_the_myths_and_facts.pdf
There's no legal queue. And three other facts Australians get wrong about asylum seekers | Robert Tickner
Again, the question here is not the rights or wrongs of how these people get to Australia in the first place (and once again, the vast majority of them ARE found to be genuine refugees). The question is how we respond to them when they do come. What was it our Lord said...
... and another interesting thought on that note: Discipleship for Critical Thinkers: Not "Was" - why Jesus IS a refugee
... how about some more facts from people and organisations that work with asylum seekers in Australia and know a lot more firsthand about these issues than I do?
Mythbusters Archives - Refugee Council of Australia
Refugee Facts - Asylum Seekers Facts | Australian Red Cross
Who are Australia's 'boat people', and why don't they get on planes?
https://www.alws.org.au/media/wysiw..._and_asylum_seekers_-_the_myths_and_facts.pdf
There's no legal queue. And three other facts Australians get wrong about asylum seekers | Robert Tickner
Again, the question here is not the rights or wrongs of how these people get to Australia in the first place (and once again, the vast majority of them ARE found to be genuine refugees). The question is how we respond to them when they do come. What was it our Lord said...
... and another interesting thought on that note: Discipleship for Critical Thinkers: Not "Was" - why Jesus IS a refugee
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That applies to personal responsibility, not governmental policy. Jesus didn't come to make governmental policy, so please refrain from misusing Scripture to support your political views about what a certain country should do. God is in charge of those countries, and those countries have laws. God's word tells us to obey those laws and those who are in charge, right?
If you, as a Christian, are willing to sponsor any or all of these refugees, go for it.
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It may surprise you to know that this is the history of the world.
Ever since the first civilizations armies have conquered others and subjugated peoples,
and incorporated lands into their empires.
And yet Australia is a prosperous democratic nation of many peoples.
Yes the stone age is gone forever as it is for many other tribal and hunter gatherer
societies across the globe.
In the end when Jesus judges the works of everybody that has ever lived in the history of the
world, from the hunter gatherers to the aristocracy of every age, God will deal with
all of these injustices and wrongdoings.
No one is innocent of sin, not even Aborigines.
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Replacing the fundamental truths of the Word of God with the gospel of social action is the new trendy
way for left-wing christians of today.
From homosexual marriage to women ordination and now to assisting "asylum seekers" to hide in church buildings.
And yet defending the word of God and the truth of scripture and Jesus as Lord and God is all too
hard for these people.
Social action is much more appealing a compromise to an unGodly secular hedonistic society that
trashes real christian faith and our virtues.
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Jesus said emphatically that My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my followers would fight for me.
The great commission is to preach the gospel so that individuals can repent from their dead works,
undergo water baptism by full immersion and then also to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Then to walk in a new life as children of the light and to bear fruit of the Spirit for all to see and to
then desire the gospel as well for themselves.
Social action viz a viz soup kitchens and political campaigns are generally conducted as good works
that make wishy washy christians feel good - but rarely is the gospel preached.
Invariably it all ends up with 'there are many paths to salvation' or embracing Allah as equal to Jesus
as God. Let's not upset people by insisting that:
Jesus is the only way to the Father and that he is the way, the life and the resurrection.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added
unto you.
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there are no thousands of children in detention camps on tropical islands.
Most children were taken off Nauru and Manus Islands by the current government and fostered out
to church and community based refugee and children support services.
Never ever believe left-wing political nonsense from the likes of Amnesty International or the
UNHRC or CNN or our ABC. Fake news is their agenda.
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