Attn: Muslims

[jerimy]

so Muslimah
what do you say about prophecies of the bible being fufilled?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by jerimy
so Muslimah
what do you say about prophecies of the bible being fufilled?

They ignore the truth, as usual...don't worry dude, they will learn eventually.

 

[bouncer]

Originally posted by Muslimah

Then it was wrong of America to try & take the Taliban away in ur opinion?
Cause you think they are opressors & enemies of the Afghan women..
& Its wrong of America to go after Osama then to?
They shouldn't even bother looking for him , They should love and praise him instead?

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First of all, you are making the mistake&nbsp;most muslims do, of equating America with christianity. America is NOT a christian country, not anymore atleast, and their actions and decisions in no way represent the Christian faith.

As far as looking for Osama is concerned, well he is still dangerous and can kill thousands more, of course he has to be locked up somewhere.

BUT,&nbsp;I definitely do NOT agree with the method America chose to hunt him down by bombing the innocents of Afghanistan who had nothing to do with this tragedy.&nbsp; That was something that could have easily been avoided.

 

[Martin]

Muslimah,
Do you believe that a prophet ever lies?
Jesus said He was God

So if, as you claim, Isa was a prophet, was he lying when he said he was God?

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by jerimy
so Muslimah
what do you say about prophecies of the bible being fufilled?

I've already said what I say to things like that.. but anyway which prophecies?

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by s0uljah


They ignore the truth, as usual...don't worry dude, they will learn eventually.

One of us certainly will

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by bouncer


First of all, you are making the mistake&nbsp;most muslims do, of equating America with christianity. America is NOT a christian country, not anymore atleast, and their actions and decisions in no way represent the Christian faith.

Whats the biggest faith in America?
kkk innit?

Originally posted by bouncer

As far as looking for Osama is concerned, well he is still dangerous and can kill thousands more, of course he has to be locked up somewhere.

lol
If America ever finds him , They will kill him , not lock him up..
& thats exactly what Osama wants

Originally posted by bouncer

BUT,&nbsp;I definitely do NOT agree with the method America chose to hunt him down by bombing the innocents of Afghanistan who had nothing to do with this tragedy.&nbsp; That was something that could have easily been avoided.

What a nice answer

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by Martin
Muslimah,
Do you believe that a prophet ever lies?
Jesus said He was God

So if, as you claim, Isa was a prophet, was he lying when he said he was God?

hehe
i discussed this also , like on page 4 or something

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by s0uljah


I used to believe that Islam was peaceful, just twisted by the terrorists, etc...I'd like to know the truth of what you believe.&nbsp;

Hmm , I told you already , Islam says to fight ur opressors & thats all..
Since you don't believe me or whatever , I'll post fatwa on the matter for you , That is a Official Legal ruling on the matter from people who are authorized to give them..

First one is about killing non muslims for fun

Question:

Please could you help me, I am on the verge of losing my iman. I am a recent convert to islam, I converted to islam because of the peace, as well as being convinced its the truth. Very recently I have been talking to come ‘jihadis’, who say if Islam brings me peace, I have chosen the wrong religion, they tell me the blood of every kafir is halal, and that it is permissible to kill any non muslim whether they are oppressing you or not. For example, they say it would be permissible to go to somewhere like Bolivia, and kill all the local inhabitants for the sin of not being non-muslim. I have also been told that rape during jihad is permissible. Please save my imaan. They also tell me if I feel sorry for any kafir, I am a munafiq, and I am one of them. Please save my imaan. I work with several Americans, how should my relationship be with them? According to these guys, I should kill them, just for the sin of holding an American passport. Look forward to hearing from you shortly. Jazakallah khair.



Kindly refer below our standard reply to a similar query.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

The statement, 'promoted killing of non-Muslims' is vague and sweeping and
is very much open to misinterpretation. Yes, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi
Wasallam) promoted the killing of these non-Muslims who are actively engaged
in destroying Islam and the Muslims. This is the command of Allah Ta'ala
Himself in the Qur'aan. This type of killing is not simply permissible, but
commendable and worthy of reward. This does not mean that Islam teaches to
kill all non-Muslims.

If, for example, a Muslim intentionally kills a non-Muslim citizen of the
Islamic state, then in retribution the Muslim's life will be taken. This
indicates that even the life of a non-Muslim is sanctified, if he does not
oppose Islam and the Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai


and..


Question:

My question is can you kill a disbeliever who doesn't accept Islam. Please tell me in details with simple English understanding.

It is not permissible to kill a disbeliever if he does not accept Islam. However, in a situation of jihad, if the disbelievers are conquered, they will be invited to Islam. If they refuse to accept Islam, they will be ordered to give jizya (tax). If they refuse to give jizya, then only will they be killed.

Was salaam

Mufti E Desai
Fatwa Dept.



Those both came from the AskImam.com website

So you see , we aren't told to just go around killing non muslims for no reason

 

[Muslimah]

This one is about the September 11th Attacks..


Question:

Please give me the true Islamic perspective on the suicide attacks in America.

Respected Mufti, I am very confused as to what we, as Muslims, should be thinking at this moment in time in the wake of the Suicide attacks in America? Should we be feeling utter remorse over the atrocity and should we brand the Muslims who perpetrated these attacks lunatics and barbarians? Or should we be feeling pleased because at least someone has the guts to retaliate against Americas oppressiveness? Is it right to view it as a way of Allah showing the oppressive West that they are not 'untouchable'?

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According to the Shari'ah, in normal conditions, when there is no declaration of Jihaad, Muslims are required to conduct themselves in a dignified and honourable way. Their sound character and conduct should leave an impression in the hearts of non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of submission and subjugation to the orders of Allah Ta'ala which invokes the peace of Allah Ta'ala on earth. Thus, Islam is a religion of peace and is against any act that impedes peace.

Even, when there is a declaration of Jihaad (by competent and reliable Ulama, after having studied the situation and substantiating the need for
Jihaad with Shar'ee reasons), it is prohibited to target and kill women,
children and old people. Hadhrat ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates
that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to advise the army before
dispatching them, 'Do not deceive, do not disfigure, do not kill children
and those in churches.' (I'elaa-us-Sunan vol.12 pg.31; Idaratul Qur'aan)

It is clear from the aforegoing narration that the flight bombing of the
twin towers of the World Trade Centre, New York and the Pentagon has no
basis in Islamic Shari'ah. Therefore, as Muslims, we are required to adhere
to the laws of the Shari'ah.

If Muslims perceive any injustices to them, they should create suitable
channels and avenues to address such issues. If they are unsuccessful in
their endervours, they should make Mashwara (consult) with the Fuqahaa
(intelligent) and Aabideen (pious) people on the best course of action. It
is against the spirit of Islam to make independent decisions as that may be
dangerous to the course of Islam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Ifta - Madrasah In'aamiyyah, Camperdown


Next about Suicide bombings..

 

[Muslimah]

Suicide Bombings..


Question:

Are suicide bombings as carried out by Hamas in Palestine permissible, when carried out in public places where civilians are certain to be killed. Do suicide bombers attain shahadah?



Life and death are from Allah Ta'ala alone. Allah says in the Noble Qur'an,
'And it is He who gives death and gives life'.
Allah Ta'ala has entrusted man with life and ordered him to look after
himself so that he could earn the eternal life. To abuse life or destroy it
is against the command of Allah Ta'ala. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi
Wasallam) has announced severe warnings for committing suicide. Therefore,
if a person is afflicted with any type of personal grief, he must endure it
and look for ways to remedy the grief. It is not permissible for him to
commit suicide to avail himself from his/her personal grief. However, if a
community is oppressed of its basic human rights, it is permissible for them
to fight against the oppressors and avail themselves from such oppression.
It is permissible for them to engage in Jihaad - risking their lives in the
hope of saving themselves from oppression. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi
Wasallam) has also praised a person whose army is defeated and bravely faces
the enemy. It is obvious in such a situation that a person is walking
directly toward the enemy - he is walking toward death. This act of his -
despite him actually walking toward death - is praiseworthy according to the
Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). This is not done for personal grief
and pain, but in the interest of the Muslim community. Factually, the people
of Palestine are the most oppressed people and live in constant fear by the
rule of the Jewish oppressors. Due to their extreme frustration and
hardships this has led them to behave likewise - to suicide bombings.
This is similar to a person returning from the defeated army who bravely
approaches the enemy and is killed. Although there is a difference between
the two, in that, the former is killed by the enemy and the latter kills
himself but the person killed by the enemy virtually killed himself by
confronting his enemy in such a defenceless situation - thus allowed to be
killed.
Therefore, this is an act of merit and such a person will be a Shaheed. The
plot by suicide bombers should be understood in the same light. Assuming the
suicide bombing is evil but this evil is opposed by a greater evil for which
there is no adequate substitute, therefore, their act will be justified as
lesser of the two evils in terms of Islamic Law.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai


and , one more about that virgin thing you were talking about..
killing yourself for sex & salvation..


Question:

Respected Imam Saheb, Assalam Alaikum, Last week, as I was getting ready for work, Lisa Meyer (a writer for Time Magazine) was on CNN on a segment called INSIDE THE MIND OF A SUICIDE BOMBER. She was asked "What makes Palestinians blow themselves up inside Israel.?" She replied with a couple of statements out of which one was that "They are promised to be married to 72 virgins in heaven." When the surprised CNN anchor-person asked "72 virgins? Why not 71?", Ms. Meyer replied, "Ask Mohammad, I do not know." Please explain if this has anything to do with Islam?


To the best of our knowledge, the practise of the Palestinians - suicide
bombings is in the course of a liberation struggle against the oppressive
Zionist regime. It is not practised to earn paradise and its bounties as
that is certainly a given for every Muslim -Palestinian and
non-Palestinians. That may be examined by posing the following question to
Lisa Meyer; "What can stop the suicide bombing?" The answer would certainly
be:

If the rights of the oppressed Palestinians are fulfilled. Surely, then no
Palestinian would be merely covetous of the 72 virgins by blowing himself
up. "Female" Lisa Meyer would have no reason to penetrate into the broken
"non-virgin" male minds of the oppressed to search for any perceived
virginity there, to be raped and abused by Lisa Meyer's dominating
journalistic skills. She should certainly ask Mohammed (Hadith) from the
outset if she did not know. Her response was indeed premature and
pre-virgin.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

Those were all from the AskImam.com website.

 

[Muslimah]

After reading all those , You should see that my original statement is true..
Those are the rulings for Islam & Islam is what I love & believe in

 

[Zico]

@ jerimy ,,

In regard to your question to my sister Muslimah,, some prophecies are really fufilled in the Bible and no muslim denies this since the bible contains some of the words of God according to our beliefe. But which words in the Bible are truely God's words? taking in consideration the continued editing and revising OF THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!!!

Its plain and simple,,,, God commands people to keep his words intact as we see here "Ye shall not add unto the word which I (God) command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

But do people useually obey every command of God and listen carefully?? I don't think so, So at last he establishes argument on mankind twice and then he promises to protect his last word by him self "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)". Qur'an 15(stoneland):9

Also it's fair to say that the Qur'an is not a book of many prophecies but surely it is a book of science http://www.it-is-truth.org

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by isshinwhat


Could you point me to some good, historical sources that would show me there were no other versions of the Q'uran that competed for canonicity before they were burned?

Neal

Zico , ur a smarty pants , try answering this one for isshinwhat

 

[Zico]

Hey sister,

I would present him with this http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Qiraat/hafs.html And this http://www.abouttajweed.com/03190101.htm

But most likely he would not even bother to take a look

 

[bouncer]

Here is an article I came across. It is written by&nbsp;a Dr.Zakir Naik, whom many muslims consider as the apparent successor to Ahmed Deedat the famous muslim apologetic....

It deals with how the Quran, was compiled and transmitted......


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1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an Divinely inspired The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit. Every Ramadhan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice. It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.

3. Qur’an copied on one common material The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (R.A.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.

4. Usman (R.A.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (R.A.). Usman (R.A.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (R.A.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (R.A.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (R.A.) to the main centres of Muslims. There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (R.A.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

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Its pretty obvious your own scholars ACCEPT that there were variations in the Quranic transcripts that existed AFTER the death of Muhammed, but they explain by saying, that verified copies were present with one of the wives of Muhammed and it was THAT which was used and the others were destroyed....

You can form your own opinion about this piece of information....

If you choose to believe Mr.Naik, when he says that the final manuscript used in preparing the complete Quran was the authentic one, is it unreasonable for us to believe our own scholars, who assure us that the Bible has been preserved over the years??.....I already posted a link on that subject and I wonder if YOU bothered to take a look....anyway, here it is again.....

CAN WE TRUST THE GOSPELS?

One final post-script; for the Quran to stay EXACTLY as it was revealed to Muhammed it has to be transmitted in that original language for all these years, and probably it has been.....but any other translation in any other language will contain words, interpretations, which were not present/not intended, in the original arabic version.&nbsp; How then, do you trust your english translations of the Quran but expect us to believe that our own translations of the Bible has been corrrupted ?

Is it not the right of the people to have the word of God revealed to them in their own language?....this is why the need of versions and revisions arise, so that people can UNDERSTAND Gods word and read it in a tongue they are familiar with.

 

[Zico]

Hey bouncer bro,,

We have to be clear about one matter here, Muslims do not claim that Jesus' true disciples tampered with the Bible, but that others claiming to act in their names did so later on. This has to be said.


But again, you are missing some serios issues here:

1. There is a difference between a translation and a VERSION!!.
2. When any muslim prays, he has to recite Qur'an in arabic.
3. You can't translate the word of God. The english translations of the Qur'an are only ( the translation of the meanings of ) nothing more, nothing less.
4. There is nothing confusing about Uthman collecting the other writings and comparing them to the version with the wife of Muhammad*pbuh*, After all,, she was his wife and Uthman was Caliphet ( successor ) to the messenger of Allah*pbuh*.
5. Not a single verse or chapter in the Qur'an mentions Uthman or Hafsa, surely if they did want to have a piece of the cake, they would have done something ,, don't you agree ??
6. Where are the original writings that date to the time of Christ*pbuh* IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE ??
7. You have a book which is a testimony of many men.
8. You have a book which was changed many times and no one denies that.
9. You have a book with serios contradictions and errors.

At last we conclude with a very important note,, YOU CAN'T EDIT OR REFINE THE WORD OF GOD BY YOUR OWN HAND, WHEN YOU DO, YOU GET SUCH ERRORS AND GET ASTRAY AND MAKE OTHER PEOPLE GO ASTRAY.

And again i ask all of you here to free some of your time and read this ( Christianity's true founder, Paul, admits fabrication ) http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.7.html

 

[Zico]

souljah,

One more thing to add about terrorism and islam, islam does not allow suicide bombing or killing of followers of other religions. Some verses you quoted earlier were for a specific period in the time of Muhammad*pbuh* and some also were out of context :

2:190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2:192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

This was for defending faith in the begining of islam, and there is nothing wrong with it for that time or this since it is self defence. ( you can refer to the story of Muhammad*pbuh* for more on this issue )


9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

This is for the same period and you can see how the Almighty commands Muhammad*pbuh* to be kind to the ones that don't fight him or the ones who seek asylum.


9:111. Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Torah, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
9:112. Those that turn (to Allah. in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of Allah,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by Allah.- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers.

Here God partly describes how the believers are.


17:31. Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.
17:32. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
17:33. Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
17:34. Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
17:35. Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination.
17:36. And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
17:37. Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.
17:38. Of all such things the evil is hateful in the sight of thy Lord.
17:39. These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.

Here we find some of our commandments, you can also find the ten commandments of Christ*pbuh* next to those of islam here http://islam-usa.com/e70.htm


And about the crisis in the ME,, althoug we condemn the suicide bombings that accure daily and waste the lives of innocent Jews, we all should admit that it's not thier land, they have no warrant in taking it from the palestinians, and Britan had no right to give it to them in the first place, to make it simple,, lets take this for exampe,, i'm 100% backed by a country far greater and stronger than yours,, and then i come to you and tell you that God has chose me and my Qur'an says that i have the right in the U.S. not you, and it shall be named Grand Arabia, and i shall destroy your main church and replace it with my lost mosque which lyies beneeth it. How do you like this scenario ?

At last, i am sorry to say souljah that your research on islam was crippled and most likely from a single point of view. I urge you to do some more fact finding.

 

[lared]

Long ago I became turned off by christendom and its wanton acts of bloodshed. I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses who I highly respect for their neutral stand in the political and military squabbles of the nations.

It is also disgusting and sick what Islam is doing. For example the Iran-Iraq war. Moslem killing Moslem.

Just as in WWII with German Catholics killing American Catholics.

Reasonable thinking persons are sick of the hypocrisy of these so-called religions of god.

We can be thankful to our Creator, Jehovah, that soon, he is to rid this earth of all false religion and only allow lovers of truth, righteousness, and peace to remain.

 

[Muslimah]

Originally posted by lared
Long ago I became turned off by christendom and its wanton acts of bloodshed. I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses who I highly respect for their neutral stand in the political and military squabbles of the nations.

It is also disgusting and sick what Islam is doing. For example the Iran-Iraq war. Moslem killing Moslem.

Just as in WWII with German Catholics killing American Catholics.

Reasonable thinking persons are sick of the hypocrisy of these so-called religions of god.

We can be thankful to our Creator, Jehovah, that soon, he is to rid this earth of all false religion and only allow lovers of truth, righteousness, and peace to remain.

hehehe
How come you Jehova people don't come visit me anymore for tea & biccies?
Did i scare you away with all my scarey Islam & Allah talk?
I know what it is , You saw how much I love my Islam & how strong my Imaan is & you gave up on converting me , MashAllah