Astral Projection, Remote Viewing,Ley Lines

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Ive heard of these things that are part of so-called "new-age" religions. Astral Projection,remote viewing, ley lines. Ive read up on these subjects and they seem to be real. Although, I do not believe we should practice such things, I wonder if anyone has had experience enough to have proof of its reality, whatever that my be.

 

[Reverend DSD]

Astral Projection, Remote Viewing and Ley Lines aren't part of any new age religion, however most of the interest in them does come from those in new age and pagan religions. From personal experience nothing about them is dangerous or even "unethical". And as a matter of fact Astral Projection has even been scientifically proven. However, still there is a lot of doubt about the issue because of the fact that it can seem rather far fetched. I used to have an article published about it from harvard university, and if I can find it I will post it.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

 

[unbound]

Thank you, and Ill be looking foward to reading them, if you find them.

 

[MoonlessNight]

And as a matter of fact Astral Projection has even been scientifically proven.

Info please. Remote Viewing is much more structured and testable than astral projection, and there's a lot of controversy over whether that has any validity. So to see a scientific proof of astral projection would be of great interest me.

 

[Reverend DSD]

I am having trouble finding the specific article, but I will keep looking.

Rev. DSD

 

[BookerB]

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Astral Projection, Remote Viewing,Ley Lines

Ive heard of these things that are part of so-called "new-age" religions. Astral Projection,remote viewing, ley lines. Ive read up on these subjects and they seem to be real. Although, I do not believe we should practice such things, I wonder if anyone has had experience enough to have proof of its reality, whatever that my be.

Although, I have never heard of Remote Viewing, or Ley Lines, I have heard of Astral Travel. I have found that many who have not experienced this kind of phenomena are not very understanding in conversations about it.

 

[engiin]

Astral travel is real. I don't know about Remote Viewing. There is some confusion in usage of the term Astral Projection. Yogi's claim to be able to project an image of themselves somewhere else without actually going there in spirit. But, most people use Astral Projection to refer to OBE, or Out-of-Body experience. The OBE form is the only one I know about personally. It's the same process that you go through when you die, with the exception that the link with the physical body is not permanently broken, so you can return to the body and reactivate it.

Basically, the process is EARTH ==> WATER ==> FIRE ==> AIR

For the first 15 to 20 years of a person's life, it's usually relatively easy to astral project. Thereafter, as time passes it gets more and more difficult if you haven't been practising this stuff, until it becomes nearly impossible for older adults to experience (until they die, or have some physical accident that gives them a jolt, or use special drugs, etc..). It seems the spirit unites more strongly with the body with age, or gets more comfortable with it, or more compatable, or whatever, and forgets the time when it was free before birth into this world.

You can see the process in symbols in the East where the Square or Cube is used to represent Earth; Sphere is water; Cone or Pyramid is Fire; and Half moon is Air; such as with the "Stupa" structures in buddhist lands of the east.

The Stupa is a reminder of the process of leaving the body, or astral projection as we call it here in the west.

There are two swords that guard the gates to astral projection, which make it very difficult for the average person to project. They occur in right at the Water to Fire transition, and again at the Fire to Air transition.

What does all this mean?

Well, Earth, Water, Fire, and Air, represent psychological states the mind experiences when undergoing the transition. Earth is touchy feely; water is heavy feeling; fire is light and rising; air or wind is movement.

Let's see how it works, and what the obstacles are;

Scenario:

You sit in a quiet room, by yourself, and contemplate the calm serenity of your being. After awhile your body begins to feel heavy, and you loose pinpoint sensitivity, you are simply aware of your whole being at the same time, and the body begins to feel heavier and heavier, as you sink down further into the depths of consciousness. It's quite pleasant at this point, and most people get here easily. This is the EARTH to WATER transition.

Continuing the quiet contemplation, the feeling begins to change, you begin to feel somewhat lighter again. At this point in time we meet the first sword, or first obstacle. The mind encounters sexual arousal, and gets distracted into thoughts of lust and the concentration is broken by those useless ideas that prevent one from continuing the process. It's hard to get over this hurdle, and most people never make it past this point. Everytime they get here, they get distracted, quit the contemplation, and lose sight of the goal. This is the WATER to FIRE transition. The fire mixing with the water gives rise to the sexual distractions. A few people make it past here, however, and are able to carry on.

Those that make it past here then come to the next obstacle or sword. There is a sharp snapping sensation and the body feels suddenly lighter. (first time there is a distinct snap, subsequent times the snap is less distinct) In fact, you feel two bodies at the same time, one floating lightly inside the other, and it is usually a little displaced from it, or out of sync. Your open eyes may see the physical body in one spot, but you distinctly feel your body to be in a slightly different location. Soon as this snap is experienced, and you realise your astral body is coming out, you feel tremendous fear, and your heart begins to pound in your chest. This again causes you to lose concentration, and the two bodies re-sync with each other, and you fall back down into your normal conscious state. Extremely few people ever make it past this point. It is almost impossible to overcome the fear. However, those that make it to this point, often astral project thereafter during sleep, and have lucid dreams. They are able to overcome the fear once they are not paying attention to the details of the process. It happens unconsciously in sleep transitions for many, whereafter the fear simply wakes them up inside the dream, but they are already out and about by that time, so they stay outside the body half-believing its just a dream, and half-believing they are traveling. This is the FIRE to AIR transition, from lightness to movement.

Anyway, that's the basics of astral travel. Lust and Fear are the barriers. First you meet lust, then you meet fear. If you overcome these two, you can travel around at will. Don't worry about other people hopping out of their bodies to visit you, however, because the vast majority of people cannot overcome these two swords. And those that can, probably have better things to do, and other places to visit.

These two flaming swords guards the gates and prevent those carnal minded individuals from entering the astral realm. (They can get around this with drugs, however, but that's another story).

 

[BookerB]

engiin:

That was very informative. But, one question. I noticed you did not mention anything about the euphoric feeling (I assume spirit/soul) rising up through the spinal column and exiting out of the top of the head. What do you know of this.

 

[engiin]

engiin:
That was very informative. But, one question. I noticed you did not mention anything about the euphoric feeling (I assume spirit/soul) rising up through the spinal column and exiting out of the top of the head. What do you know of this.

Astral projectors use relaxation to do OBE, while Kundalini control requires highly focused concentration and is much more difficult. The OBE experience is non-local and most people can't identify where or exactly how the inner body exits the outer. Some people say they exit feet first, other's claim their heads detach before the rest of the body, etc..this is all because of the general overall non-local feeling that prevades the experience. The control and directing of the kundalini fire, requires many years of yogic practice, while the successful astral projector can often achieve projection after a few hours experimentation on first attempt (at least up to the snap). The process of relaxation and contemplation always involves a blissful experience, which varies in intensity from individual to individual and is very subjective. However, for ordinary OBE, this is often disrupted by the two swords I mentioned. With OBE the consciousness does not exit the body entirely, the individual distinctly feels he has two bodies, part of the consciousness remains with the physical body, and part goes with the astral body (at least it feels that way). In the same way we can focus our awareness on our right hand, then switch our attention to our right foot instead, the conscious awareness can be deliberately moved between the two bodies at will just by thinking about it. However, the physical body feels like a heavy lump, whose limbs are immobilized or paralized, all mobility is with the astral body at that point.

 

[unbound]

Engiin, thank you for that information. With regard to the two swords, do you feel they have anything in common with the cheribum which guard the tree of life in Genesis?

 

[BookerB]

engiin:

Astral projectors use relaxation to do OBE, while Kundalini control requires highly focused concentration and is much more difficult. The OBE experience is non-local and most people can't identify where or exactly how the inner body exits the outer. Some people say they exit feet first, other's claim their heads detach before the rest of the body, etc..this is all because of the general overall non-local feeling that prevades the experience. The control and directing of the kundalini fire, requires many years of yogic practice, while the successful astral projector can often achieve projection after a few hours experimentation on first attempt (at least up to the snap). The process of relaxation and contemplation always involves a blissful experience, which varies in intensity from individual to individual and is very subjective. However, for ordinary OBE, this is often disrupted by the two swords I mentioned. With OBE the consciousness does not exit the body entirely, the individual distinctly feels he has two bodies, part of the consciousness remains with the physical body, and part goes with the astral body (at least it feels that way). In the same way we can focus our awareness on our right hand, then switch our attention to our right foot instead, the conscious awareness can be deliberately moved between the two bodies at will just by thinking about it. However, the physical body feels like a heavy lump, whose limbs are immobilized or paralized, all mobility is with the astral body at that point.

I was reluctant to talk about this due to the negative reaction of most people. But, this has been a personal experience of mine after practicing yoga for a relatively short time, some years ago. You are right, once you allow fear to creap in you immediately return to your body. I never allowed the kundalini energy to rise that high again, as I did exit from the top of my head. Nevertheless, I gained much understanding about universal consciousness, physical death, and supernatural phenomena in general. I also experienced the state of consciousness which some refer to as reaching nirvana. These experiences led me to believe that it was all about passing the threshold of pain while in a yoga posture, which when attained completely relaxed the body in a way that was just amazing.

THANKS!

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

...With regard to the two swords, do you feel they have anything in common with the cheribum which guard the tree of life in Genesis?

As soon as the calculations are complete, the answer will come.

 

[engiin]

Engiin, thank you for that information. With regard to the two swords, do you feel they have anything in common with the cheribum which guard the tree of life in Genesis?

Maybe. Analogy of symbolism is quite suggestive.

 

[unbound]

I was wondering also, if the topic of discussion is also some of the "enlightenment" secret societies like the freemasons and illuminati teach as they proceed gaining "degrees". Is it a "hidden" goal for members to eventually be able to do this? This would shed much light on the strange symbolism used in such organizations.

 

[engiin]

It would be nice to hear about that from an actual Freemason. However, I doubt that we'd get any answer there. There are books on Freemasonry that make such claims. The basic claim is that their ritual makes use of some form of drug that puts the body to sleep alowing the spirit to go free. But I can only report what I've read on this. It is also claimed that not all Freemasons are introduced to this practice, depending on who the candidate is, he is either given the real deal, or he's shown nothing but symbolism and told to figure it out.

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

I've got a few minutes to spare before heading back to the grindstone.

It would be nice to hear about that from an actual Freemason. However, I doubt that we'd get any answer there. There are books on Freemasonry that make such claims.

These books, for the most part, are complete malarkey. Others contain a mixture of truth and base error, congregated with additional absolute falsehood.The purpose of Masonry is not Astral projection, remote viewing, or any other related practice. Some individual Masons do practice such things on a private basis but these are not the practices of all Masons in the Fraternity at all. In fact, the majority do not, whether Officer or sideliner. Just ask active Masons and conduct a poll or two for yourselves. If you want to hear an individual Mason's thoughts upon such things as discussed above, you will have to seek out a Mason who practices such things. I have not done so, although I have been curious about it from time to time. As for me, I teeter somewhere between malarkey and possibility.

The basic claim is that their ritual makes use of some form of drug that puts the body to sleep alowing the spirit to go free. But I can only report what I've read on this.

No drugs are used in the rituals of Freemasonry--legitimate or regular Freemasonry, that is. I cannot speak to OTO or any of the host of other organizations unrecognized as legitimate bodies of Masonry. What they do, aside from what I know of their rituals or knowledge I can obtain from our Masonic library and/or archival materials, is unknown to me at present.

It is also claimed that not all Freemasons are introduced to this practice, depending on who the candidate is, he is either given the real deal, or he's shown nothing but symbolism and told to figure it out.

This is a falsehood created by the authors of the books that make the claims above. They need such an explanation because readers need one to explain the dumbfounded looks on Masons' faces when asked about such things as this. There is no practice of administering drugs to candidates during degree conferrals, regardless of who they are. This claim is a falsehood from the pit of hell itself and is spread about by Satan's ministers who masquerade as ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

* This message brought to you by an Illustrious Master in the York Rite of Freemasonry and a Degree Master in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, who also is part of several Degree conferral teams in the Scottish Rite (including a 32° conferral team) who confer the degrees upon candidates of all races and creeds on a regular basis. Were there such practices as those given above as part of the rituals of legitimate Freemasonry, I am and would be in a position to be aware of them. At the very least, I would be aware of such practices from viewing ritual behind closed doors and from reading the official ritual texts which are normally kept in locked rooms to which I have had access by virtue of my appointed and elected stations.

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

I was wondering also, if the topic of discussion is also some of the "enlightenment" secret societies like the freemasons and illuminati teach as they proceed gaining "degrees". Is it a "hidden" goal for members to eventually be able to do this? This would shed much light on the strange symbolism used in such organizations.

In a word. No. Masonry is what it is, no more nor less. It is all things to all people who are its members but none will claim that there is some sort of hidden goal for members to achieve Astral projection or any such thing. Besides, if what engiin said above about age being a problem in achieving such a thing is true, the majority of us Masons would have a rather serious problem achieving it since the average age of Masons in the US is close to about 75 years of age these days--if what I have read in our public and private membership statistics is true!

And, with this, I have need to fade back out of cyberspace.

 

[BookerB]

You may find more information from the Edgar Cayce books as he speaks of an ancient by the name of Tars Zars that astral traveled to his home from the Himalayas to dictate his writings. He was reported by Cayce to be around 600 to 700 years old. Also Shirley McClain's book "Out On A Limb" talks about her experience as a astral traveler.

 

[Nightstrike]

Hey Mr. Mason, Why is it that Morals and Dogma (by pike)says different.
Why is it that pike says Lucifer is the light?
why is it that alestair crowely pretty much says lucifer is god? *Alistair crowley was a 33rd degree mason.
Why else does it say that masonry is a march towards the LIGHT.
You cannot fool the people who allready know. I have read parts of teh book, and I am not stupid.

Also People, DO not be dedieved by this man, I am not trying to slander him.
However you know exactly what I mean, Masonry is evil, I have a gathered amount of proof that says lucifer is god and it is a march towards it.
If you wish to learn about freemasonry order in teh book
Morals and Dogma from albert pike.


Now on to astral projection- that sounds like magic to me.(in a sort.)

 

[BookerB]

Now on to astral projection- that sounds like magic to me.(in a sort.)

Magic can be defined as an entertain trick, or as a controlled illusion. Also it can mean that which cannot be understood. Can you better explain what you mean, or that was it?