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Saying not to take anything from my neighbor is not the same as saying to love him. We have secular laws against stealing from our neighbors, are you going to tell me that those secular laws are implying that we are required by law to love our neighbors as well?
Of course and no one said anything different, God worked through man to testify about God. But why lower God's own Testimony below mans as if it doesn't exist or matter when that's what the entire Bible is about. Who has a greater testimony about God, than God Himself? No one.
My view doesn't matter- the Sabbath is one of God's commandments - He said Remembers for a reason. Not keeping the Sabbath left out an entire generation from entering the promise land Eze20:15-16 why people think forgetting what God said to Remember doesn't matter, is not a doctrine coming from Scripture.
Where is the commandment from God to keep the first day holy? This is nothing more than a tradition of man. Jesus in His own words provided the principle of what this does when we keep man traditions over obeying the commandments of God. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Sunday never came with the blessing or sanctification of God. The Sabbath does. Man can't sanctify a day or sanctify themselves God related both to the Sabbath Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Isa56:2 Eze20;12 which is why I believe God related this to idol worship Eze20:16 replacing the power of God and what He said, with something else. Why would one want to lay aside what God said for something man said. Whoever we obey is who we serve/worship. Rom6:16
Not according to God, they are all interconnected, breaking one we break them all James2:11
Your reasoning, not God's Exo34:28 Deut4:13 there is a reason we are told not to rely on our own. Pro30:5-6. It doesn;t say thou shalt love God, He said in the Ten Commandments for those who love Me, they keep My commandments. Not everything said is a commandment and sadly, not everyone loves God. It’s not just an emotion, it’s a commitment to God and obeying Him above anyone else.
What you’re saying does make any sense because the prophets are quoting God’s words. It’s not their own testimony. So it’s not a matter of God’s words vs man’s words, it’s a matter of God’s words vs God’s words and God can absolutely change any laws He wants. He’s done it several times since creation. Circumcision, the dietary laws, animal sacrifices, sabbaths, you keep acting as if God can’t change the sabbath but He can and He did. It do matter if He wrote the 10 in stone, He can write another 10 in diamond or on tissue paper if He wants.
The Bible is inspired, but its each mans own personality, his own speech, his own way of presenting things, the Testimony of God came from God Himself, written by God Himself . Exo31:18, not man. God inspired man to testify about Him, why lower God's own Testimony to be lower than mans. I will never understand this.
He said remember TO THE ISRAELITES DURING THE OLD COVENANT. So yes they were obligated to remember the sabbath. We are NOT Israelites and we are NOT under the Old Covenant so that “remember” has nothing to do with us.
I’m not lowering anything, I’m quoting Paul. If you have a problem with what Paul wrote then you need to take that up with God.
This is an absurd statement. James quoted Leviticus 19:18 in that passage.
I already went through the context and provided Bible references that has not be refuted through Scripture. If one wishes to put all their faith on one verse that contradicts God and that comes with a salvation warning, that's ones free will. Nothing more I can do here.
And what makes up the greatest commandments.
So I’m trying to look for loopholes to get out of honoring God? That’s a really crappy thing to say to someone who spends so much of their time studying the scriptures just so I can disobey God. I can think of a lot better ways to disobey God if that was my intention. You would think that if that was my intention, to disobey God, that I wouldn’t put so much time & effort into this discussion. You’re really starting to sound more like Ellen White than you might realize.
I wasn't trying to be flippant, but there is a lot of effort to get rid of one commandment that God said Remember, that God sanctified and blessed, that no man can take away Num23:20. God just wants to spend sanctified time with us on the day He set aside Exo20:8-11 God wrote the Ten Commandments, it is His Testimony under the mercy seat of God and revealed in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19, all the thus saith the Lords Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4 God Himself told us to keep and not profane. If Jesus was going to get rid of one of His commandments that His disciples kept after His death Luke23:56 He would have said so. Instead He clearly indicted it would not end Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23. Are we to believe Paul if misunderstanding, who came with a warning that could lead to our destruction that countermands what Jesus Himself said? When looking carefully at the context is not about the weekly Sabbath at all, that Paul himself kept faithful every Sabbath decades after the Cross just as Jesus indicated. Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20-30
If you’re saying that our salvation is contingent on whether or not we observe the sabbath then that is a big problem, not for me but for you according to Galatians 5:4. It’s one thing to say that we’re supposed to observe the sabbath, it’s another thing all together to say that we’re supposed have to observe the sabbath in order to be justified by Christ. I sincerely hope that is not what you’re saying here.
Our salvation is based on grace through faith. Grace because we have all sinned. Faith, that proves if our love to God is genuine or not. I believe faith is a big word, not a small one. We are not saved by keeping any law we keep God’s law as a consequence of faith Rev 14:12 Rom3:31, not a means of salvation.
The reason there’s so much effort put into this is because you completely ignore all the scripture I’m quoting. God told who to remember it and it was a sign of which covenant? But you completely ignore all that and here we are back at the same argument over and over about who God told to remember the sabbath and what covenant it was a sign for.
Again with this whole “rebellion” garbage. If someone wanted to rebel against God DONT YOU THINK THEY COULD FIND BETTER WAYS TO REBEL THAN WORSHIPPING HIM ON SUNDAY? It’s completely STUPID to say that people WORSHIP IN ON SUNDAY OUT OF A DESIRE TO REBEL AGAINST HIM!! IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL!! You’re just throwing out personal attacks that don’t even make any sense. Why would anyone who’s desire is to rebel against God WORSHIP HIM EVER?!!
Is rebellion to God about doing what we feel is right or what God asks?
Are you suggesting that the sabbath is NOT written on the hearts of Christians? Paul specifically said we’re not to be judged for not observing the sabbath. You can pretend all you want that it’s not what he said, that’s your choice but if I can point to that verse in support of my position then my pod is supported by evidence in scripture. Paul made no distinction between which sabbath days we are not required to observe so unless you can produce a passage from the New Covenant that contradicts my interpretation of Colossians 2:16 then you have nothing to support your argument. Since we’ve been discussing this for several days now it’s obvious that you can’t produce such a passage.
Of course not, but like anything we can choose to accept what God places in our hearts or reject it Rom8:7-8 God will not force anyone to obey Him. He calls on us to hear Him Heb3:7-19 not everyone does. John3:19-21
So you're suggesting Paul taught the Sabbath was made against mankind, when Jesus said it was made for mankind. Basically God was against mankind on day 7, before man sinned, right after God made man in His image and likeness.
Some Christians accept the Bible teaching on a real 7 day creation week.
