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As Pope Francis’ Allies in China Cannibalize Religious Prisoners in Concentration Camps, He Keeps...

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. Michie

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    ...the World Safe from Latin Chant

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    Some of the estimated 3 million prisoners of conscience being forcibly re-educated into atheism by the Chinese Communist government.


    Catholics worldwide are lurching toward the “learned helplessness” that lab animals slide into after getting shocked too often, till they just stare blankly and tragically through the bars of their little cages. Or parishes, as the case may be.

    Deviating the Papacy Down
    I wrote two weeks ago about how Pope Francis has discreditedmajor aspects of papal authority by endorsing Rev. James Martin’s campaign for same-sex marriage. Never again will a non-infallible papal statement deserve more than respectful attention and rational scrutiny. The “Ordinary Magisterium” has become either meaningless or a tautology: whatever the Church has always and everywhere taught … until some pope pops up and contradicts it. If that has a mid-1930s, Muscovite Darkness At Noon feel to you, remember that isn’t a bug, but a feature.

    But the former high school chemistry teacher from Argentina hasn’t been idle. He moved on promptly from praising James Martin’s“rainbow liturgy” ministry to yanking away the permission Pope Benedict granted for wider celebration of the Church’s ancient liturgy. The one area of the Church where large families, crowded liturgies, and priestly vocations still can be found must be sprayed with weed-killer, Francis announced. I guess such rites embarrass the wealthy, empty rainbow parishes where priests take time off from cruising Grindr to preach about “systemic racism” to elderly rich white folks.

    Give God Second-Best, with a Shrug

    Continued below.
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  3. eastcoast_bsc

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    What was done to the Catholic Chinese is appalling . They were handed over to be devoured by the wolf. Lord have mercy.
     
  4. BrAndreyu

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    It's going to happen here eventually. The left in America wants this country to be a fundamentally atheist society and they're willing to work with the Chicoms to make it happen. I think that in another five to ten years, churches are going to lose their tax-exempt status if they do not preach the "wonders" of homo and transexuality, and the preaching the gospel is going to be considered a "hate crime" forcing the church to go underground.

    Corporate America, the ones who really pull the strings and tell both parties what to do, have made it abundantly clear in no uncertain terms that they want "divisive" elements like religion purged from the society.
     
  5. anna ~ grace

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    And yet, Islam is held aloft, respect for Muslims and Islamic values is seen as an aspect of “diversity” and “inclusion”, and the world is increasingly aware of and repulsed by what is happening to the Uyghurs in China. Christians have been in similar camps for decades; silence.
     
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    I have noticed this and pointed out the utter hypocrisy of it before on the part of the left, but I actually have no problem with Islam or Muslims based on the ones that I know here in Florida. They are very family-oriented people who take their faith seriously and also are very much into traditional values, moreso than a lot of protestants I know and even quite a few Catholics. I was considering converting to Shia Islam after I read the entire Quran this year, but I couldn't give up Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mother (and I also couldn't give up music) so I decided against it. I have a lot of respect for Muslims because they support traditional values, family, and take their faith seriously. I'm honestly kind of hoping that as the push for secularization and atheism becomes stronger in America, that Muslims and Christians can put aside their theological differences enough to stick up for religious liberties in general. A long shot, I know, but it's one of my prayers.

    The reason that it's hypocritical of the left to hold Islam aloft, is that Islam is a less "inclusive" religion than Christianity is, especially when it comes to the left's precious LGBTQ values. In Islamic countries, they throw sexual deviants off of roofs or stone them to death. In Christian nations we tolerate them and many branches of Christianity are now even accepting their alternative lifestyles and worse, offering to bless so-called same-sex "marriages". Here in the US, the Muslims that I know and am friendly with absolutely are 100% against the pushing of LGBTQ and other atheistic ideologies on their children & are willing to make their feelings about it known... I think that the church in America could learn something from them on this issue to be quite honest.

    But the only reason that the left holds Islam aloft is because they associate Islam with having brown skin (despite the fact that there are traditional communities of White Muslims in Europe and entire nations of Asian Muslims, Uyghurs not withstanding). Basically with the left, anything seen as being "White" is evil and must be destroyed and anything that is associated with being "brown" or "black" has to be lionized and held aloft. It's disgusting.
     
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    If Islam had its way, as it does in many countries, it would prevent you, even unto death, from practicing your Christian faith.
     
  8. BrAndreyu

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    Whatever.

    I have never been a Christian who has an obsessive, burning hatred for Islam and Muslims because I respect the fact that they actually take their faith seriously enough to fight for it. I also respect the fact that they believe in traditional values and I see them as being fundamentally after at least a similar thing as me as far as social values go and I'm willing to take them as bedfellows in the fight for religious values in a pluralistic society like the US.

    I don't live in constant fear of Muslims because of something that happened twenty years ago by people that the US government used to fund when it was in their interests to oppose the Soviet Union. Sorry.

    If it comes to the point where Muslims are the dominant religious group and they decide to persecute me or kill me for being a Christian, I really don't care at all because I remember the promises in Luke 6:22
     
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    It's easy to not live in fear when you're not a Coptic having your head chopped off, brother. I do respect your apparent willingness to be martyred; however, I think we all feel that way from our comfortable society; being faced with it, for real, is the true test.
     
  10. BrAndreyu

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    I'm going to be really frank with you here, and a lot of people aren't going to like this:

    I feel that way because my life is lonely, pathetic, & miserable and they'd be doing me a tremendous favor by sending me from the suffering that I deal with in this world to a place where there is no mental illness, no hallucinations, no paranoia, no tears, no dying, and no pain.
     
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    I’m a former Muslim, so I hear you.

    In the end, though, there was no way to compare Christ and Muhammad. Christ won. If more Christians took their faith as seriously as most Muslims, though, we’d be doing much better.

    Hold onto Christ. He is worth it.
     
  12. BrAndreyu

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    Not even close. The demand that I believe that Jesus was "just a prophet" was something that I can't do in light of Luke 9:28-36, my favorite story out of the gospels because it reveals the reality of just who Jesus is: the Christ.


    This is exactly what I am getting at. If America had even one thousand Christians who took their faith as seriously as the majority of Muslims do, then all of the social problems that exist in our society today would cease to exist. Christians can (and should) learn a lot from the example of the Muslims, but they don't. They hide in their churches and are willing to bear insults against Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mother, they're willing to bear the murder of the unborn in the womb, the LGBTQ movement and atheistic socialist ideology... they're willing to bear all of it provided that they can have their McFood, their SUVs, and their reality television to keep them pacified and then go hide in a church once or twice a week and decry these problems instead of getting active and doing something to change them.

    Imagine if Christians rioted when some pervert "modern artist" suspends an image of the Lord in a jar of urine and then gets govt money to display it at a museum, or if Catholics fought back when their churches were burned to the ground and statues of the Blessed Virgin Mother were desecrated in Canada. People like to wring their hands and say "oh but we can't do that!" Maybe we should start, and maybe if we started, these blasphemies would not happen anymore and we'd actually transform the culture for the glory of Christ. But no, it's easier for everyone to be lukewarm and bear these ever-worsening insults for the sake of "tolerance" and "inclusion".

    That's all I'm saying.
     
  13. anna ~ grace

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    I agree. And that is what drew me to Islam in the first place. These guys seemed to live out what they believed, to heck with what century it was. Yes, it can and does take barbaric, cruel, and awful forms, but accuse them of lacking faith and zeal, one can not.

    Be the Christian, humble, holy, pure version of everything you see in Muslims. Be that guy, and know that in the Saints, we have giants, examples, friends, and helpers. I know, none of us comes close. I know. But keep trying.
     
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