As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

[pat34lee]

That is part of it - yet GOD'S PEOPLE (if they can be found anywhere)
still DO RIGHTEOUSNESS and care for those as TORAH says, as JESUS taught and trained and leads ekklesia to DO TORAH.
"What happened to the charities?" They were not all of Yahweh....
and today most all of the ones (organizations) "seen" are serving $$$$.
(including S.Army, R.Cross,etc etc etc )

True. I heard stories about the Red Cross from people who saw them.

 

[Speedwell]

That is part of it - yet GOD'S PEOPLE (if they can be found anywhere)
still DO RIGHTEOUSNESS and care for those as TORAH says, as JESUS taught and trained and leads ekklesia to DO TORAH.
"What happened to the charities?" They were not all of Yahweh....
and today most all of the ones (organizations) "seen" are serving $$$$.
(including S.Army, R.Cross,etc etc etc )

So the Salvation Army are not Christians any more? When did that happen?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So the Salvation Army are not Christians any more? When did that happen?

The organization,
when federal money, or other money, per day,
became the rule , instead of righteousness/ instead of what is right, instead of 'love' (if that was ever),
instead of 'caring' (if that was ever) ...

 

[Audacious]

The point is that there is no such thing as universal, especially
in healthcare. And government is never the answer. Most times,
government is the largest problem.

That includes charities. Government is not equipped for the job.

Then why does leaving the problem to charities and the private sector lead to worse health care conditions?

When Australia privatized a part of its health care, wait times actually increased. And while the US has the most expensive health care in the advanced world, it gets results worse than any other country in it. The idea that what we need is more privatization is ludicrous.

 

[jgarden]

As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

9 million American children may no longer have healthcare but they can go to bed tonight comforted by the knowledge that this billionaire President is taking a stand against millionaire football players kneeling during the national anthem!

 

[pat34lee]

Then why does leaving the problem to charities and the private sector lead to worse health care conditions?

When Australia privatized a part of its health care, wait times actually increased. And while the US has the most expensive health care in the advanced world, it gets results worse than any other country in it. The idea that what we need is more privatization is ludicrous.

Two things:

What part of Australia's health care was privatized and why?

The US is most expensive because of outdated lawsuit laws,
nothing to do with medical care itself. To protect themselves,
hospitals and doctors must not only carry ridiculously large
amounts of insurance, costing us more, but they must also
run unnecessary tests. Of course, there is also that multi-million
dollar equipment they buy and have to use somewhere.

As to why we are so far from the top of healthcare? Two main
reasons.

1) Bad training/bad doctors/immune drug makers
How many doctors discuss what you eat and how it affects your
body? Many are just pill dispensers, because that is where the
money is. And what recourse is there when the pharma industry
is immune from lawsuits and prosecution? When they pay to
police themselves?

2) Medical and scientific dogma
Science is at a low point in history today,
including medical science. Dogma rules, and
dissenters don't last long in their chosen field.

 

[pat34lee]

As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

9 million American children may no longer have healthcare but they can go to bed tonight comforted by the knowledge that his billionaire President is taking a stand against millionaire football players kneeling during the national anthem!

This is pure mudslinging. Are you that far gone in hatred for
someone you've never met?

You need to read Matthew 5:22 and all of 1 John.
So do many others here who hold him in contempt
and dishonor him.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Two things:

What part of Australia's health care was privatized and why?

The US is most expensive because of outdated lawsuit laws,
nothing to do with medical care itself. To protect themselves,
hospitals and doctors must not only carry ridiculously large
amounts of insurance, costing us more, but they must also
run unnecessary tests. Of course, there is also that multi-million
dollar equipment they buy and have to use somewhere.

As to why we are so far from the top of healthcare? Two main
reasons.

1) Bad training/bad doctors/immune drug makers
How many doctors discuss what you eat and how it affects your
body? Many are just pill dispensers, because that is where the
money is. And what recourse is there when the pharma industry
is immune from lawsuits and prosecution? When they pay to
police themselves?

2) Medical and scientific dogma
Science is at a low point in history today,
including medical science. Dogma rules, and
dissenters don't last long in their chosen field.

This sounds like you are victim of propaganda. Please provide links to reputable source supporting these claims. Thank you.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

It's the only relevant thing. How do you maintain costs
whether you have a surplus of doctors and hospitals or
you have none near? Especially when it comes down to
preventative medicine?

This makes no sense. Is obvious you co-ordinate number of medical people and number of medical buildings with number of people in area. Not difficult.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

This is pure mudslinging. Are you that far gone in hatred for
someone you've never met?

You need to read Matthew 5:22 and all of 1 John.
So do many others here who hold him in contempt
and dishonor him.

Stating how many children may lose healthcare is "mudslinging"? And is somehow "hatred"? Sound like you are victim of people lying to you. Do you listen to Alex Jones or FOX News?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Um, where do you think "rights" come from?

GOD.

 

[pat34lee]

This sounds like you are victim of propaganda. Please provide links to reputable source supporting these claims. Thank you.

Before I try to look up all of the different claims, which ones
do you think are wrong, or at least are not part of the problem?

 

[pat34lee]

Stating how many children may lose healthcare is "mudslinging"? And is somehow "hatred"? Sound like you are victim of people lying to you. Do you listen to Alex Jones or FOX News?

I'm saying, what does 9 million children have to do
with President Trump's tweets about the NFL?

The two statements serve no reason but to inflame
those already against the President.

And why is the first impulse of so many here to deflect?
Either those opposing you are stupid, uneducated, or
they are blindly following Trump or have been brainwashed
by the evil conservative media and talk shows.

It can't be that someone just as smart and as educated as
the elite can have a different viewpoint than the 'official'
version, can it?

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Before I try to look up all of the different claims, which ones
do you think are wrong, or at least are not part of the problem?

I believe it is all nonsense and you are victim of propaganda. Please provide reputable source to support this claim:

2) Medical and scientific dogma
Science is at a low point in history today,
including medical science. Dogma rules, and
dissenters don't last long in their chosen field.

And I believe this also is complete nonsense. That other problem that makes USA healthcare so poor is:

1) Bad training/bad doctors/immune drug makers

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

I'm saying, what does 9 million children have to do
with President Trump's tweets about the NFL?

The two statements serve no reason but to inflame
those already against the President.

They are related. Highlight how this POTUS spend his time attacking people on twitter and causing chaos and not spending his time thinking of solutions . to problems. Trump have zero plans. Trump have zero solutions. Is becoming increasingly clear that Trump only big mouth no nothing. Is why he is laughing stock around the world and other world leaders openly mock him.

And why is the first impulse of so many here to deflect?
Either those opposing you are stupid, uneducated, or
they are blindly following Trump or have been brainwashed
by the evil conservative media and talk shows.

It can't be that someone just as smart and as educated as
the elite can have a different viewpoint than the 'official'
version, can it?

Let us find out if you have been victim of propaganda as I believe. You stated:
2) Medical and scientific dogma
Science is at a low point in history today,
including medical science. Dogma rules, and
dissenters don't last long in their chosen field.

I believe this is complete nonsense. But you can prove me wrong by providing reputable sources which support this claim. We find out quickly who is victim of propaganda.

 

[jgarden]

This is pure mudslinging. Are you that far gone in hatred for someone you've never met?

You need to read Matthew 5:22 and all of 1 John.
So do many others here who hold him in contempt
and dishonor him.

This is a President who spent the last 8 years championing the "birther" movement - a thinly veiled attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the nation's first "black" president!

Any attempt to use Scripture to create a parallel between "The Donald" and Christ is misguided at best - this is a President who sees no need to ask God's forgiveness from sin!

1 John 1:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[pat34lee]

I believe it is all nonsense and you are victim of propaganda. Please provide reputable source to support this claim:
2) Medical and scientific dogma
Science is at a low point in history today,
including medical science. Dogma rules, and
dissenters don't last long in their chosen field.[/I]

And I believe this also is complete nonsense. That other problem that makes USA healthcare so poor is:

1) Bad training/bad doctors/immune drug makers

2) When Physicians' Careers Suffer Because They Refuse to Prescribe Narcotics

Modern medicine doesn't train doctors to see patients as individuals | Daily Mail Online

For dogma, let's use an example the left loves: pot.
How long has the government resisted using THC for
easing symptoms of disease when there is nothing
else that works comparably? And not the smoking
pot, just the actual medical part.

1)Undertrained Doctors, Overprescribed Drugs
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-evils-of-big-pharma-exposed/5425382

US Supreme Court Gives Total Liability Shield to Big Drug Companies

 

[pat34lee]

Any attempt to use Scripture to create a parallel between "The Donald" and Christ is misguided at best - this is a President who sees no need to ask God's forgiveness from sin!

He isn't the first. We have had anywhere from mediocre
to evil leaders in the past. That changes nothing about
what we are supposed to do.

President Trump will have to deal with God one day. So
will you and I. We will have to justify our own actions,
not Trump's or Obama's.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

2) When Physicians' Careers Suffer Because They Refuse to Prescribe Narcotics

Modern medicine doesn't train doctors to see patients as individuals | Daily Mail Online

For dogma, let's use an example the left loves: pot.
How long has the government resisted using THC for
easing symptoms of disease when there is nothing
else that works comparably? And not the smoking
pot, just the actual medical part.

1)Undertrained Doctors, Overprescribed Drugs
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-evils-of-big-pharma-exposed/5425382

US Supreme Court Gives Total Liability Shield to Big Drug Companies

Pat I offer sincere thank you for the articles. They are informative and at least some are of reputable source. Well done on this front.

But one of your statement was that science was at a low point in history. You have provided no evidence for that. In fact I think opposite is true. Look around you and you will see science is doing amazing things. Without today's science we have world wide starvation. Without today's science we do not survive cancer at rates we do today. You seem to have experience with life. Remember when cancer was virtual death sentence not so long ago?

And while there are some doctors undertrained. And there are some ways medical system can be improved (and always will be), overall I still think you are wrong with your blanket statements about state of healthcare in USA.

If Americans stop worrying that minorities will benefit and just move to Universal healthcare like rest of world your costs will be cut in half and your outcomes will improve dramatically. Crazy thing is I think Jesus would have loved Universal Healthcare, yet maybe most fundamental Christian country in the world is against this, in my opinion (which may not be correct) primarily because minorities might benefit also. This is cutting off nose to spite the face.

 

[SBC]

Time's up: As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

tulc(because golfing is much more important to this President) [/QUOTE

Funny -

A reporter says the Congress has not acted quick enough to appropriate money;

Money Congress does not have, but will collect from people who care for their own children's needs, to pay for people who do not take care for their own children's needs, and it is the President's fault, because someone decided golf is important to the President.

IFY - The Congress and President have separate jobs and duties.

God Bless,
SBC