As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

[tulc]

Time's up: As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

Advocates for children’s health started worrying months ago that congressional incompetence would jeopardize the nation’s one indisputable healthcare success — the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which has reduced the uninsured rate among kids to 5% from 14% over the two decades of its existence.

Their fears turned out to be true. Funding for CHIP runs out on Saturday, and no vote on reestablishing the program’s $15-billion appropriation is expected for at least a week, probably longer. That’s the case even though CHIP is one of the few federal programs that has enjoyed unalloyed bipartisan support since its inception in 1997. The consequences will be dire in many states, which will have to curtail or even shut down their children’s health programs until funding is restored. Hanging in the balance is care for 9 million children and pregnant women in low-income households.

tulc(because golfing is much more important to this President)

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Time's up: As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

tulc(because golfing is much more important to this President)

The most divisive POTUS in my lifetime strike again. From article:

CHIP is one of the few federal programs that has enjoyed unalloyed bipartisan support since its inception in 1997.

Bipartisan support until Trump. Before 9 million children health is important, but now big worry is (black) NFL players are disrespectful taking a knee. And that (latino) Puerto Rican people are too lazy to help themselves after flood (While Whinger in Chief sit in luxury playing golf.). Why does it seem that big majority of Trump attacks are always against non-whites? Or attack others to defend White Supremacists?

Just my opinion but Trump is most disgusting piece of human flotsam I have seen outside of a prison.

 

[pat34lee]

Time's up: As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

tulc(because golfing is much more important to this President)

Watching paint dry is more important to me than
saving any part of healthcare as it is. We need to
get government out of the business.

 

[jgarden]

Watching paint dry is more important to me than saving any part of healthcare as it is. We need to
get government out of the business.

US Constitution: Preamble

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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The Preamble of the Constitution sets out the broadest terms the objectives that the Constitution for the United States of America, as a new nation, would attempt to achieve.

Although specific mention of healthcare is not made in the original Constitution, it could be argued that to "promote the general welfare" and "secure the blessings of liberty" provide the rationale to guarantee access to medical care for all citizens.

The constitutional appropriateness of Obamacare has already been challenged, and the decision the Supreme Court confirmed that it was indeed part of the federal government's "business" to be engaged in healthcare.

Within the context of the CHIP program, the health and well-being of the nation's children would appear to be an obvious priority for ensuring the future of any country.

 

[pat34lee]

Within the context of the CHIP program, the health and well-being of the nation's children would appear to be an obvious priority for ensuring the future of any country.

If children were a priority, we wouldn't be killing
them by the millions each year.

The general welfare clause is not a magic genie
to fix all our problems. If it were, then we would
have a bottomless pit, because there is always
something more that people want or need.

Should transportation be a need in some areas?
Then we must buy cars for them. Electricity and
water for those who can't afford it. Free wireless
and cable internet and TV, free housing, etc.

It's actually getting difficult to think of anything that
at least some people don't already get free from
the government.

 

[Audacious]

If children were a priority, we wouldn't be killing
them by the millions each year.

The general welfare clause is not a magic genie
to fix all our problems. If it were, then we would
have a bottomless pit, because there is always
something more that people want or need.

Should transportation be a need in some areas?
Then we must buy cars for them. Electricity and
water for those who can't afford it. Free wireless
and cable internet and TV, free housing, etc.

It's actually getting difficult to think of anything that
at least some people don't already get free from
the government.

You do realize that literally every other modern country has universal health care, right? And that it's fine (actually better) in those places?

The UK pays 1/3 of what the US does per capita for its health care, and every hospital (IIRC) is owned by the government. I don't think the problem is government here.

 

[Dawnhammer]

If children were a priority, we wouldn't be killing
them by the millions each year.

Biologically, a child (plural: children) is a human being between the stages of birth and puberty.

Wikipedia

 

[ambc]

Time's up: As CHIP expires unrenewed, Congress blows a chance to save healthcare for 9 million children

tulc(because golfing is much more important to this President)

Healthcare isn’t a right; it’s a privilege. If any parents want healthcare for their child or children, they ought to work hard for it instead of expecting a government handout. Quit acting like the world owes everyone everything.

 

[JackRT]

Just like with issues like slavery and female suffrage, societal attitudes are in transition. Many nations now regard full access to health care to be a human right. I think that within a decade or two that will happen in the USA as well. It is long overdue.

 

[ambc]

Just like with issues like slavery and female suffrage, societal attitudes are in transition. Many nations now regard full access to health care to be a human right. I think that within a decade or two that will happen in the USA as well. It is long overdue.

So you think healthcare is a human right because the majority of people feel entitled to it? That’s some astute logic there!

 

[JackRT]

So you think healthcare is a human right because the majority of people feel entitled to it? That’s some astute logic there!

If I went with the majority why would I come here? Aside from that, I believe that all human persons are of equal value (doesn't the US constitution or bill of rights say something similar?) and I deplore a society that would allow the poor to die while others are bankrupted and the rich simply write a cheque.

 

[Audacious]

Healthcare isn’t a right; it’s a privilege. If any parents want healthcare for their child or children, they ought to work hard for it instead of expecting a government handout. Quit acting like the world owes everyone everything.

So you think people should die if they or their children don't have the money to pay for health care? When our country could provide health care as a right if it just felt like it?

Every single other advanced country in the world has universal health care. Because people's lives matter, and it works better for access to health care and such things. You even get a longer average lifespan out of it!

Or we could continue with the current system. All those darned lazy people sitting on piles of dead children...

Edit: Also, what do you think should be done for people who can't work due to illness? I'm 23 and on disability because I can't work due to an illness that began when I was 13 years old. Should my 12 year old self have saved more of his allowance? Sigh.

 

[Dawnhammer]

Healthcare isn’t a right; it’s a privilege. If any parents want healthcare for their child or children, they ought to work hard for it instead of expecting a government handout.

And where do we draw the line? Letting poor, handicapped, lazy and idiots to starve. Next ?

Maybe police protection and laws are not really necessary.
You can defend yourself after all. Why expect government to care.

Maybe freedom is not really a right either. You could be born slave and work yourself up after all.

Pretty dystopian future though.

 

[Armoured]

Watching paint dry is more important to me than
saving any part of healthcare as it is. We need to
get government out of the business.

Great talking point. How does it help anyone denied coverage now?

 

[Armoured]

So you think healthcare is a human right because the majority of people feel entitled to it? That’s some astute logic there!

Um, where do you think "rights" come from?

 

[Armoured]

Healthcare isn’t a right; it’s a privilege. If any parents want healthcare for their child or children, they ought to work hard for it instead of expecting a government handout. Quit acting like the world owes everyone everything.

You said something similar in another thread, and I asked you bout pre-existing conditions. I'm still interested to hear your thoughts. (Always get a kick out of people complaining about government handouts... on the internet).

 

[Armoured]

If children were a priority, we wouldn't be killing
them by the millions each year.

The general welfare clause is not a magic genie
to fix all our problems. If it were, then we would
have a bottomless pit, because there is always
something more that people want or need.

Should transportation be a need in some areas?
Then we must buy cars for them. Electricity and
water for those who can't afford it. Free wireless
and cable internet and TV, free housing, etc.

It's actually getting difficult to think of anything that
at least some people don't already get free from
the government.

Abortion is bad, therefore kids dying is OK?

 

[pat34lee]

You do realize that literally every other modern country has universal health care, right? And that it's fine (actually better) in those places?

The UK pays 1/3 of what the US does per capita for its health care, and every hospital (IIRC) is owned by the government. I don't think the problem is government here.

Every country with socialized healthcare is going broke,
losing doctors, and lowering standards of care. There
isn't enough money for the government to provide top
notch care for everyone. In smaller, richer countries, it
may take longer, but the US is just too bulky for it to work
at all.

What would happen to car insurance if every company was
forced to make policies the same price whether you have a
clean record or DUI's and multiple accidents? When the
government mandates coverage for pre-existing conditions,
that means everyone with healthcare is paying for them.

 

[pat34lee]

Abortion is bad, therefore kids dying is OK?

How many kids die from lack of healthcare? Almost none
due to free emergency care and free/low cost clinics which
are everywhere. I go to one for medical and dental care.

 

[pat34lee]

Great talking point. How does it help anyone denied coverage now?

Nobody is denied care due to lack of coverage.
And there is always charities, who paid for care long
before governments got into the business.