Artolatry question

[Not David]

According to "the Orthodox Church" by Kallistos Ware, it is possible to fall into idolatry of the bread.
"According to Orthodox theology, the act of consecration is not complete until the end of the Epiclesis, and worship of the Holy Gifts before this point is condemned by the Orthodox Church as ‘artolatry’ (bread worship)"

So do we worship the Consecrated Gifts with "Latria"? Doing it before the consecration is bad merely because it's just bread and wine?

 

[ArmyMatt]

yes, because the Gifts become the Body and Blood of God Himself.

 

[Not David]

yes, because the Gifts become the Body and Blood of God Himself.

Oh, so that's why on certain days besides Sunday, we bow down when the Gifts are presented to the people?

 

[buzuxi02]

I'm at a loss. We don't have devotions to the gifts, I know latins have some kind of service to them.
But who would worship the bread beforehand? Obviously baking of prosphora should be done in a respectful manner but idolizing it?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Oh, so that's why on certain days besides Sunday, we bow down when the Gifts are presented to the people?

if you mean Presanctified, then yes because the Gifts are consecrated the Sunday prior.

 

[ArmyMatt]

But who would worship the bread beforehand? Obviously baking of prosphora should be done in a respectful manner but idolizing it?

someone probably did.

 

[E.C.]

I'm at a loss. We don't have devotions to the gifts, I know latins have some kind of service to them.
But who would worship the bread beforehand? Obviously baking of prosphora should be done in a respectful manner but idolizing it?

They call it Eucharistic Adoration. I never went to a service when I was Roman Catholic, but my understanding was that because the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ it is therefore like worshiping Christ Himself.

 

[ArmyMatt]

They call it Eucharistic Adoration. I never went to a service when I was Roman Catholic, but my understanding was that because the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ it is therefore like worshiping Christ Himself.

to be fair, Eucharistic adoration is not done before the consecration.

and we do Eucharistic adoration as well, it's just that it IS the consumption of the Eucharist.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

When I was Lutheran and studying the Reformation, the issue of Eucharistic Adoration and specifically the Corpus Christi festivals was that the bread and wine were consecrated but not for consumption, e.g. "Take and eat", but simply for adoration.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I participated in Eucharistic Adoration many many times. At my old parish the Host would be preserved in a monstrance behind glass in a tiny chapel and you could go in there and worship it 24/7. There was a lock with a code to get in. You had to receive the code by a priest trusting you to go to it.

They call it Eucharistic Adoration. I never went to a service when I was Roman Catholic, but my understanding was that because the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ it is therefore like worshiping Christ Himself.