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Featured Armenian Catholics reject Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by friend of, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. friend of

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    Armenian Catholicos rejects Jerusalem as Israeli capital

    The Catholicos of the Great House of Cilicia Aram Irejects the U.S. move to recognize Jerusalemas the Israeli capital.

    U.S. president Donald Trump's move to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital reversed decades of U.S. policy on Wednesday, December 6. The fate of Jerusalem is one of the thorniest issues between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Eight of the 15 nations who are currently members of the United Nations Security Council have called for the body to hold an urgent meeting on the U.S. decision by the end of the week.

    The Armenian Catholicos discussed the matter with Lebanese president Michel Aoun.

    According to the Patriarch, the U.S. approach is not consistent with international law, justice and historical truth.
     
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  2. brinny

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    It's ALREADY been "thorny".
     
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  3. friend of

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    OHHH brinny... is stuff ever thorny rn
     
  4. brinny

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    Sorry, not following what you mean, my friend.
     
  5. Basil the Great

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    We will hope and pray for the best.
     
  6. Tree of Life

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    Who cares?!
     
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  7. Phil 1:21

    Phil 1:21 Well-Known Member

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    People outside Israel debating the location of Israel's capital would be like my neighbors deciding what color I should paint my guest bathroom...irrelevant.
     
  8. Thedictator

    Thedictator Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

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    What is not consistent with international law, justice and historical truth is not letting a sovereign nation choose it's own capital. This capital has been the capital for 1000's of years, just because some racist and bigots don't want to recognize it makes no difference.
     
  9. rturner76

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    Not having an opinion is totally fine and understandable if you are not into international politics. It's just that for the people who do care, mostly Jews, Muslims, and Fundamental Christians, it is making a HUGE statement about how The Trump administration views the Palestinian people's desire to have their own country and Israel's land right's in Jerusalem. Pretty much saying there is no solution other than Israel owns everything. Israel already has a capital (Tel Aviv) and this move will all but guarantee there will be people dying. For what?
     
  10. Dave G.

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    I agree with what took place because those who bless Israel will be blessed and those curse them will be cursed. But as far as the prophetic time line goes this action is like placing a dot on an I that was missing or a period at the end of a sentence that needed to be there. But the events themselves will unfold anyway.
     
  11. Ignatius the Kiwi

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    I'm interested in what the reasoning is behind this rejection. I could only find one statement to that effect from reference offered by the OP's source (Ն.Ս.Օ.Տ.Տ. ԱՐԱՄ Ա. ԿԱԹՈՂԻԿՈՍ ԿԸ ՄԵՐԺԷ ԵՐՈՒՍԱՂԷՄԸ ԻՍԼԱՅԷԼԻ...). I had to rely on google translate, so I hope it accurately represents the original statement given by the Church.

    "His Holiness emphasized that Jerusalem must remain open to the three religions of the open city, Jewish, Christian, and Islamic, and the rights of the mentioned religions should always be protected in Jerusalem."

    Given that you cannot even pray on the Temple mount unless you are a Muslim, i would say the holy sites are being handled rather fairly when Israel could just bulldoze and confiscate the Christian and Islamic Churches/land if they really wanted to. Since the only objection offered is that Jewish control of the city restricts equal access of it to everyone else, is there any basis for saying Israel does not allow Muslims and Christians to access the city?
     
  12. TerryWoodenpic

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    For the best part of the last 2000 years Israel was not even a country, nor a homeland.
    Historically What is now Israel has not belonged to them since Roman times and the Diaspora.
    In that time it has had a number of rulers none of them Jewish.

    Should the UK be returned to the Anglo Saxons or the native Britons who invited them in, or perhaps, the Norman French who succeeded them.

    There is no absolute historic right of owner ship of any land.
    Or the Americans would have to give that right back to the native Americans.
     
  13. Thedictator

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    I never said the Jews had a Historical right to the city, no one has a historical right to any thing. God owns all the earth and he has the right to give parts to who ever he wants and has the right to take a way from who ever he wants. The world would not have this problem if the Jews had obeyed God and exterminated everyone in that land when God gave it to them.

    My only statement is that Israel has every right to make Jerusalem their Capital regardless of some pompous false religion like the Armenian Catholics.
     
  14. Almost there

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    Maybe the Palestinians can discuss their unfortunate predicament over a beer with the Apaches. History moves on.
     
  15. ViaCrucis

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  16. bbbbbbb

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    Good question. In light of the fact that outside of Armenia, where this church is most significant, although hardly like the Armenian Orthodox Church, there are only 35,000 members in the United States.

    The only issue is that because it is Roman Catholic in affiliation, its head has no authority to make any sort of proclamations. Thus, he ought to be viewed as a renegade Catholic who is usurping the role of the Pope.
     
  17. Rhamiel

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    He is not a renegade, he is a Patriach of an Eastern church in communion with the Latin church
     
  18. bbbbbbb

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    Still, I think you will agree that he represents, at best, a miniscule proportion of Christians. His pronouncements are probably as significant as those of Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein.
     
  19. Rhamiel

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    for the Church as a whole he is the leader of a very small part, but in the Middle East he would represent a significant number of Christians

    it would be like someone in Europe reading about the Governor of North Dakota
    very insignificant, but if you are talking about events in the MidWest then his voice is important
     
  20. bbbbbbb

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    I live in Iowa, which is the Midwest, and I can assure you that nobody here gives the slightest heed to anything the governor of North Dakota says or does. In fact, until recently the population decline in North Dakota was making it difficult to administer and there was serious talk of merging North with South Dakota.
     
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