Are you squeamish about the word "catholic"?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I answered your question. You are being unreasonable. Please answer my question.

Do a scripture word search for "bishop*".
Unreasonable is subjective.

Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

Do a scripture word search for "bishop*".
Unreasonable is subjective.

Forgive me...

I see you dont want to discuss it

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I see you dont want to discuss it

I see you closing your eyes and being obtuse.

You following any Bishop at all? I didn't think so.

Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

I see you closing your eyes and being obtuse.

You following any Bishop at all? I didn't think so.

Forgive me...

I follow the teacher who wrote the bible. The Lord guides me daily. He is the bishop of my soul


John 6:45New King James Version (NKJV)
45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I follow the teacher who wrote the bible.

Okay, but I don't think you have a clue to what you are missing.

Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

Okay, but I don't think you have a clue to what you are missing.

Forgive me...

The lord is my shepherd, i shall not want. He leads me

23 The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3 He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell in the house of the Lord
Forever.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The lord is my shepherd, i shall not want.

Love you buddy! You remind me of my dad.



Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

Love you buddy! You remind me of my dad.



Forgive me...

why is that?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

why is that?

He has the same ideas about the simplicity of worship, and while there is truth in that... it is not the whole truth.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Do you see "catholic" here?

Acts 1:20
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

1st Timothy 3:1-2
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

He has the same ideas about the simplicity of worship, and while there is truth in that... it is not the whole truth.

Forgive me...

What is the whole truth?

 

[W2L]

Do you see "catholic" here?

Acts 1:20
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

1st Timothy 3:1-2
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Forgive me...

Nope.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I would have thought that one of these lists would trace back to Peter or is there a historical event that is used as the starting point for a Patriachate in Antioch?

Peter WAS the first Bishop of Antioch. That is the point of origin. Then Peter moved to Rome, and was principal bishop there.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I would rather we discuss what would happen if we merely label them as Bishops of Antioch with no claim to being a Patriarch.

The one Patriarch of Antioch I would have removed (except it happened already) would have been the Latin Patriarch of Antioch.

Patriarch of Antioch is a traditional title held by the Bishop of Antioch. As the traditional "overseer" (ἐπίσκοπος, episkopos, from which the word bishop is derived) of the first gentile Christian community, the position has been of prime importance in the church from its earliest period. This diocese is one of the few for which the names of its bishops from the apostolic beginnings have been preserved. Today five churches use the title of Patriarch of Antioch: the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, and the Maronite Church. Historically, there has also been a Latin Patriarch of Antioch.

According to church tradition, this ancient Patriarchate was founded by the Apostle Saint Peter. The patriarchal succession was disputed at the time of the Meletian schism in 362 and again after the Council of Chalcedon in 451, when there were rival Melkite and non-Chalcedonian claimants to the see. After a 7th-century succession dispute in the Melkite church, the Maronites began appointing a Maronite Patriarch as well. After the First Crusade, the Catholic Church began appointing a Latin Rite Patriarch of Antioch, though this became strictly titular after the Fall of Antioch in 1268, and was abolished completely in 1964. In the 18th century, succession disputes in the Greek Orthodox and Syriac Orthodox Churches of Antioch led to factions of those churches entering into communion with Rome under claimants to the patriarchate: the Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch of Antioch and the Syriac Catholic Patriarch of Antioch, respectively. Their Orthodox counterparts are the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch, respectively.

 

[Monk Brendan]

It seems a major difference between what is Apostolic and what is not is someone along the line didn't follow the rules and was not granted their Apostolic gold star (demoted to small 'a' apostolic) I would say Apostolic is a misnomer just as Catholic is.

No. Some took up the term, "Apostolic," as a LABEL figuring that their worship service was more on the line of the Apostles in Jerusalem. This proved not to be the case, as the Apostles had been instructed by Jesus in the 40 days he stayed on earth after He rose from the dead. The Apostles understood that corporate worship was to be liturgical in nature, rather than four hymns from the choir, a special music section, and then a fire and brimstone sermon from the preacher.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The one Patriarch of Antioch I would have removed (except it happened already) would have been the Latin Patriarch of Antioch.

Patriarch of Antioch is a traditional title held by the Bishop of Antioch. As the traditional "overseer" (ἐπίσκοπος, episkopos, from which the word bishop is derived) of the first gentile Christian community, the position has been of prime importance in the church from its earliest period. This diocese is one of the few for which the names of its bishops from the apostolic beginnings have been preserved. Today five churches use the title of Patriarch of Antioch: the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, and the Maronite Church. Historically, there has also been a Latin Patriarch of Antioch.

According to church tradition, this ancient Patriarchate was founded by the Apostle Saint Peter. The patriarchal succession was disputed at the time of the Meletian schism in 362 and again after the Council of Chalcedon in 451, when there were rival Melkite and non-Chalcedonian claimants to the see. After a 7th-century succession dispute in the Melkite church, the Maronites began appointing a Maronite Patriarch as well. After the First Crusade, the Catholic Church began appointing a Latin Rite Patriarch of Antioch, though this became strictly titular after the Fall of Antioch in 1268, and was abolished completely in 1964. In the 18th century, succession disputes in the Greek Orthodox and Syriac Orthodox Churches of Antioch led to factions of those churches entering into communion with Rome under claimants to the patriarchate: the Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch of Antioch and the Syriac Catholic Patriarch of Antioch, respectively. Their Orthodox counterparts are the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch, respectively.

Exactly so.

I would add that “Greek” is synonomous with “Eastern” in this use.

So... The Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch is Arab.

Forgive me...

 

[Monk Brendan]

So... The Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch is Arab.

I know that, and I'm trying NOT to confuse the others reading this thread.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I know that, and I'm trying NOT to confuse the others reading this thread.

I know you know...
Informing them, not yourself. It is my Patriarch I was speaking of...

Forgive me...

 

[W2L]

I may not have tradition, but i do have the Lord inside.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I may not have tradition, but i do have the Lord inside.

Sure you do. You quote from a very large section of tradition.

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