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Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by CherubRam, Dec 23, 2017.

  1. pat34lee

    pat34lee Messianic

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    People generally know not to eat poisonous plants. Do you
    know how many plants are poisonous? I don't, and the names
    change from area to area, so it wouldn't help much without
    adding pictures of the plants.
     
  2. pat34lee

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    Because the lump it in with "The OT was made to punish Israel, and we
    don't have to worry about any of it because Jesus fulfilled the law. Now
    we can drop the parts of the law that we don't want to follow and keep
    those that make us feel good."
     
  3. pat34lee

    pat34lee Messianic

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    For the sake of argument I'll assume all this is true.
    What about 200 years before Jesus' time? 1000 years?
    When the earliest parts of Torah were written? Back
    when Joshua's name was spelled יְהוֹשׁ֣וּעַ
     
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  4. ralliann

    ralliann christian

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    Anyway, things grew out of the ground which were not food for man. That is what scripture appears to point to in that period. Animals were for sacrifice it appears. Clean and unclean animals were concerning alter Kosher.
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Actually,
    I was thinking of Revelation 18 more. The enemy deceives the whole world (even religious teachers and leaders, politicians in every country, scientists, teachers and doctors and bankers and investors) ....
    so what is good for health in reality, is taken from the people,
    and what is destructive to health for everyone, is pushed on them.

    "MY PEOPLE [even God's People] ----- P-E-R-I-S-H ------ for lack of knowledge (true knowledge, experiential knowledge) about health/ food/ drugs/ air/ pollution/ corruption
     
  6. pat34lee

    pat34lee Messianic

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    It won't be the same. It is not in effect yet, and can't
    go into effect until he returns. Once he takes his place
    as king, there will no longer be need for denominations
    because we will all see the truth directly from him.
     
  7. pat34lee

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    Even worse, many know, but choose the destructive and
    poisonous because it's easier and cheaper. At least, until
    it affects our health. I'm one that did that.
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yes, I was once for long time under the devil's care in society. I even STUDIED IT ! thinking it would be a good paying employment as a "CHRISTIAN"!!! I knew NOTHING at the time! NOTHING ! (and no one in any chruch had ever warned me as far as I can remember)
    So great is the deception of all the world.(yes, even in chruches I attended - all kinds) ....
     
  9. ralliann

    ralliann christian

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  10. ralliann

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    His priesthood is royal.....Of the order of Melchizedek. King and priest in one office.
    The covenant made in his blood is indeed in effect
     
  11. CherubRam

    CherubRam Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that the New Covenant is not in effect yet?
     
  12. CherubRam

    CherubRam Well-Known Member

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    Did everyone run away from the question?

    Are you saying that the New Covenant is not in effect yet?
     
  13. pat34lee

    pat34lee Messianic

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    Jeremiah 31:33
    Hebrews 8:10
    Hebrews 10:16
    And so you know every law by heart? What is #49?
     
  14. pat34lee

    pat34lee Messianic

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    Yes, I'm saying exactly that.
    See my previous post just above this one.
     
  15. CherubRam

    CherubRam Well-Known Member

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    Your logic does not add up.
    Romans 13:9
    The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
     
  16. HARK!

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    A summary of the written law is not the detail of all of the law. It's a summary. That command is also not he foremost precept, By the way, that command, in itself, was part of the written law as given to Moshe.

    (CLV) Lv 19:18
    You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh.

    (CLV) Hb 10:28
    Anyone -repudiating Moses' LAW is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
     
  17. HARK!

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    (CLV) Lk 16:17
    Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.
     
  18. tampasteve

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    As a side note, I have been reading "The Way of Life: Didache: A New Translation and Messianic Jewish Commentary" and it is highly enlightening on what the early church would have taught for Gentiles to follow and be bound to. It is a First Fruits of Zion publication and well worth the $35 price tag. I believe it is full of valuable information on how we should practice MJ today.
    The Way of Life, Book
     
  19. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Would you like to see that it has already ? (getting to the root/ meanings/ history/ Scripturally/ if YHWH Permits)(or more simply, Revealed by YHWH to little ones trusting Him).....
     
  20. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    Please elaborate on how the sacrifices are to be done today. If they are not to be done today because there is no temple, will believers be offering sin sacrifices when there is a temple? Also, do you believe the sacrifices will continue beyond the Millennium?
     
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