Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism?

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Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism? Are the Mosaic Laws and the New Covenant irreconcilable with each other? Are people looking for a Jewish identity in the New Covenant with Yahshua the Messiah?


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Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism? Are the Mosaic Laws and the New Covenant irreconcilable with each other? Are people looking for a Jewish identity in the New Covenant with Yahshua the Messiah?
The "Mosaic Laws" are YHWH's Laws given through Moses. Since we must obey the two greatest commandments of the "Mosaic Law", then what other laws given through Moses do we need to obey? What about the "Ten Commandments/Ten Words"? The New Covenant Scriptures certainly teach we are to obey nine of those ten. I believe they teach us to obey all Ten. What about a lesser command through Moses such as not moving our neighbors boundary marker? Are we free to do that under the New Covenant? If not, then it would behoove us to know exactly what commands given through Moses we are to obey. One cannot simply say the entire Mosaic Law is abolished, but then continue to keep many of those laws.
 
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The "Mosaic Laws" are YHWH's Laws given through Moses. Since we must obey the two greatest commandments of the "Mosaic Law", then what other laws given through Moses do we need to obey? What about the "Ten Commandments/Ten Words"? The New Covenant Scriptures certainly teach we are to obey nine of those ten. I believe they teach us to obey all Ten. What about a lesser command through Moses such as not moving our neighbors boundary marker? Are we free to do that under the New Covenant? If not, then it would behoove us to know exactly what commands given through Moses we are to obey. One cannot simply say the entire Mosaic Law is abolished, but then continue to keep many of those laws.
Are the Mosaic laws that govern the sacrifices and Festivals separate from God's commandments?
 
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Are you saying that sacrifices and the Festivals remain as part of the New Covenant?
No. The Festivals definitely remain, especially those that have not been fulfilled. A shadow cannot be fulfilled until the reality comes. The sacrifices/offerings have been fulfilled by Yeshua.
 
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No. The Festivals definitely remain, especially those that have not been fulfilled. A shadow cannot be fulfilled until the reality comes. The sacrifices/offerings have been fulfilled by Yeshua.

I was reading this, written by a Rabbi many years ago.

In the future all sacrifices, with the exception of the Thanksgiving-sacrifice, will be discontinued.
(Midrash Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)


And that all sacrifices will be annulled in the future.
(Tanchuma Emor 19, Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)

Thoughts?
 
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I was reading this, written by a Rabbi many years ago.

In the future all sacrifices, with the exception of the Thanksgiving-sacrifice, will be discontinued.
(Midrash Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)


And that all sacrifices will be annulled in the future.
(Tanchuma Emor 19, Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)

Thoughts?
I can't comment without seeing the context or reasoning behind those statements.
 
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What made ancient Rabbi's think sacrifices and Festivals would be done away with?
Do you know when those statements were made? I highly doubt they were thinking they would be done away with when Yeshua died. They certainly knew about Zechariah 14 and how the Feast of Tabernacles would be kept long into the future.
 
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I will not address your question directly, but rather, I recall a set of papers given to me years ago by a devout Christian. She got the papers from another Christian, possibly a doctor or nurse. Anyway, the thrust of the papers was that Christians should follow the Old Testament dietary laws, not for religious reasons, but because it would improve one's health and well being. Apparently all or most of the Old Testament admonitions on which foods to eat really do make sense from a medical point of view.
 
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I will not address your question directly, but rather, I recall a set of papers given to me years ago by a devout Christian. She got the papers from another Christian, possibly a doctor or nurse. Anyway, the thrust of the papers was that Christians should follow the Old Testament dietary laws, not for religious reasons, but because it would improve one's health and well being. Apparently all or most of the Old Testament admonitions on which foods to eat really do make sense from a medical point of view.
The dietary laws certainly do improve one's health, but they also keep one from being defiled by eating what our Creator considers abominations.
 
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1st hand....Moral Law.. God wrote with His own finger
2nd hand...Mosaic Laws .. written by Moses
3rd hand....Oral Torah... written by sages
This kind of separation leads one to believe the Mosaic Laws are not moral laws, but they most certainly are. For example, moving our neighbor's boundary marker is totally immoral.
 
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This kind of separation leads one to believe the Mosaic Laws are not moral laws, but they most certainly are. For example, moving our neighbor's boundary marker is totally immoral.
Defining morality in the details of life is found in both the mosaic and oral torah.
 
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Defining morality in the details of life is found in both the mosaic and oral torah.
Correct, which is why the Ten Commandments should not be identified as the "Moral Law" apart from the other laws. The Ten Commandments are moral laws found in the Mosaic Law.
 
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Correct, which is why the Ten Commandments should not be identified as the "Moral Law" apart from the other laws. The Ten Commandments are moral laws found in the Mosaic Law.
I was not separating them from the moral law.. I was identifying them in relationship to the moral law upon which all other laws hang.
Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
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Do you know when those statements were made? I highly doubt they were thinking they would be done away with when Yeshua died. They certainly knew about Zechariah 14 and how the Feast of Tabernacles would be kept long into the future.
I am not sure yet, but Zech 14 may be a late addition to Zechariah. The last parts of Isaiah and Jeremiah may also be late additions. Needs more research. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint suggest that they are.
 
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