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Deliberately so.No, not semantics at all.... one, notice you have not defined what commandments the text is referring to ...
And where in my post did I state anything to the contrary? I see it as a misconception that you read my post and assumed that I said that commandments were given just so people could keep them... notice that the motivating factor for keeping the commandments is LOVE.... that is significant... one must love before any action is required... ...
I see now that you probably didn't understand my post at all. I was not referring to the bible text as a question of semantics but your assesment of my post as incorrect because you saw a non existent stance that says that people need to keep the commandments and rely on the law. Otherwise I really see no point for the rest of your post.StromyOne said:Would you consider the letter Paul wrote to the Galatians a question of semantics?
I can give it a try.Can you help me understand this statement a bit better? If a denomination taught that non-sabbatarians will one day receive the mark of the beast, would this be an examlpe of "a legalistic imposition on people's lives resulting in a huge stumbling block of 'do not touch' laws?"
BFA
That's why Paul wrote that the law that Moses brought from the mountain had its own glory (because Moses' face temporarily glowed when he came down with it) but there is far much more glory in the grace brought by Jesus because His glory is not temporary.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Commandments and doctrines of men are not only burdensome, but impossible to keep.20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
that's cool...Deliberately so.
Yes I have from time to time read something in a comment that the person did not say/suggest... pardon my misreading....And where in my post did I state anything to the contrary? I see it as a misconception that you read my post and assumed that I said that commandments were given just so people could keep them.
fair enough, as such you are more than welcome to ignore my comments...I see now that you probably didn't understand my post at all. I was not referring to the bible text as a question of semantics but your assesment of my post as incorrect because you saw a non existent stance that says that people need to keep the commandments and rely on the law. Otherwise I really see no point for the rest of your post.
I can give it a try.
If a denomination says that no one should travel on Saturdays or watch T.V and list a set of activities that should be avoided then that imposition plays on my mind as soon as the sabbath approaches.
I now have to make sure I finish work early on Fridays, can't accept any overtime that period, switch my phone off and keep those activities in mind so I don't break the commandment.
That all becomes a burden and can easily become a stumbling block to me. There is no glory in keeping the law in that manner. God's grace alone is sufficient for our upholding of the law not actions or conciousness on our part. The law is not supposed to be a burden.
1 John 5
That's why Paul wrote that the law that Moses brought from the mountain had its own glory (because Moses' face temporarily glowed when he came down with it) but there is far much more glory in the grace brought by Jesus because His glory is not temporary.
Colossians 2
Commandments and doctrines of men are not only burdensome, but impossible to keep.
There are ifs in the question but answering it as stated, yes, men imposing commandments on people is always going to be burdensome.OK. So what about God-given commands? If God commanded the Israelites not to pursue their own pleasure on the sabbath day, would it be burdensome if men imposed these God-given commands today?
BFA
Following the law was the only way for sinners to become reconciled with God before the seed came.19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
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24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The lie is when people believe in their heart that they are keeping God's commandments. If the ten commandment was all we're up against, most people would feel they're not so bad.There is a belief system out there that says we can't keep the commandments. This is so untrue and from the pit of hell. The Bible nevers says we can't keep the commandments. We may not want to keep the commandments or we may be keeping the commandments with the wrong motive and it's no doubt that we may not keep them pefectly all the time but it never says we can't keep them.
Jesus kept the commandments and He's our example. Zacharias and Elizabeth kept the commandments of God.
Luke 1"5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
To say we can't keep the commandments is a ploy from the devil to let down our guard and live in disobedience. If you allow God to write His Law in your heart and mind you will love God and will keep His commandments. If you keep the commandments with this motive you will manifest a godly love and be over flowing with compassion.
God never says we can't keep the commandments, but rather, He tells us to persevere in keeping them and having the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
If I may be more liberal with the question I would say that the bible is clear on that the reason the commandments were given was to draw men to God because of their sins before grace was availed.
Galatians 3
Following the law was the only way for sinners to become reconciled with God before the seed came.
You are confusing salvation with reconciliation. The activities of the high priest and all the laws of atonement allowed unclean people to be reconciled because they were blood covenant laws.The law condemned; it didn't reconcile. No one was ever able to obey the law perfectly, so it couldn't reconcile anyone with God. It pointed to Christ, who alone could do what the law couldn't do. Salvation has always been by grace, never by law.
Sophia,The law condemned; it didn't reconcile. No one was ever able to obey the law perfectly, so it couldn't reconcile anyone with God. It pointed to Christ, who alone could do what the law couldn't do. Salvation has always been by grace, never by law.
Sophia,
Amen and amen.
The following Scripture has been a guide to me, through the Spirit.
Rom 5:8-11
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. KJV
Joe
Sin did not come because of the law, the law was added because of sin.The law is the means/instrument whereby sin comes alive and slays us.
Joe
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
r...x,Sin did not come because of the law, the law was added because of sin.
The law in itself is good. Seeking justification by it after the seed came is the problem.
You are confusing salvation with reconciliation. The activities of the high priest and all the laws of atonement allowed unclean people to be reconciled because they were blood covenant laws.
Sophia,
Amen and amen.
The following Scripture has been a guide to me, through the Spirit.
Rom 5:8-11
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. KJV
Joe
'We' in the passages is us, you and me not the people who lived before Christ died for our atonement. Before the atonement the law stated what was required for man to move between states of cleanness and uncleaness. You do understand the meaning of the word 'now' in the passages you quoted above, right?
Driving 55-100mph is the usual option of choice...There is also the pesky reality that enshrining a "wrong" in a law serves the purpose of calling attention to it. Whereas if there were no such law, it's possible people would attend to other things, if there is a law about the wrong, you guarantee it attention.
Romans 7:7 -- "Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, 'You shall not covet.' But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all desire."
If you have ever been invited out for a cold treat, you may understand how this works. Someone says ice cream. You imagine one flavor. Then they say "We have strawberry, vanilla, and mint." And you drool at all three. You only imagined one flavor. But then three were presented to you.
Law -- any law -- works in a similar way.
The speeding limit says 55. You, with your V8 engine*, drool.
You have just been presented with the option of driving under 55, at 55, or letting that engine eat up road. Oh, choices!
* Yes, Stormy, I'm talking to you.
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