Are you a "Moderate SDA"? IF so what do you mean by that?

[BobRyan]

1. "Moderate" could mean -- I accept QoD as a valid reliable doctrinal statement for SDAs that is in perfect harmony with the 28FB.

2. It could mean - -I accept the 28FB and Ellen White but I don't like the harsh critical judgmental (all Ellen White all the time) spirit I find among "some" notoriously conservative web-site practices so I prefer not to be identified as "conservative".

3. Or it could mean -- I accept all 28FB but I do not accept the idea of "ceasing to sin" before the 2nd coming -- or any variation of that.

4. Or it could mean -- I accept some of the 28FB -- just not the IJ.

Or it could mean -- ??

Well I guess that is the question for this thread -- if you are moderate SDA -- what do you mean by that?

If you are not moderate-SDA what do you think the term means?

If you consider yourself moderate -- how do you suppose that differs from "progressive"?

(Maybe we need a similar thread for "progressive"?)

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Err... umm.. "not crazy"??

So anyone who can sign up as "not crazy" get's to claim they are "Moderate"?


in Christ,

Bob

 

[DanPev]

I consider myself a moderate adventist, mainly because I see the Evangelical Adventists as nothing more than evangelicals. And because I'm too liberal too consider myself a Traditional Adventist. When it comes to theological issues like the IJ, and the like, I am pretty much with the traditionals; however when it comes to tho social issues like womens ordination, wine in the Bible, not to mention anything political, I am most definitely on the liberal side of things.

Basically, I could go with point 2 of your list there.

 

[RND]

I'd like to start a bonfire with every QoD in the country as the fuel. Useless apologetics of "please like me theology."

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Err... umm.. "not crazy"??

So anyone who can sign up as "not crazy" get's to claim they are "Moderate"?


in Christ,

Bob

Perhaps we could have a jury like the one found in reality shows (think American Idol) that would be responsible for deciding. Can I be on that jury?

With tongue in cheek,
BFA

 

[trubeautie]

Good question. Moderate, traditional, evangelical, progressive etc. - all I grew up with was SDA Christianity. People are going to have various experiences and be at different places in their walk with God. Not sure about the purpose of these types of distinctions.

 

[AzA]

Good question. Moderate, traditional, evangelical, progressive etc. - all I grew up with was SDA Christianity. People are going to have various experiences and be at different places in their walk with God. Not sure about the purpose of these types of distinctions.

Welcome, Trubeautie!

 

[trubeautie]

Welcome, Trubeautie!

Thank you!

 

[RedNoma]

I suppose I'm a "moderate", although I'd never heard the term referenced to any adventist belief before joining here. I personally don't agree with IJ/1844 doctrine. I also eat meat, listen to secular music/movies, and do many other things "traditionalists" might disagree with, but I see as non-sinful.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

I consider myself a moderate adventist, mainly because I see the Evangelical Adventists as nothing more than evangelicals.

Then you don't understand the the SDA Evangelical postion. there are simalarities, but real differences.

 

[sentipente]

Labels never completely characterize anyone.

 

[BobRyan]

I suppose I'm a "moderate", although I'd never heard the term referenced to any adventist belief before joining here. I personally don't agree with IJ/1844 doctrine. I also eat meat, listen to secular music/movies, and do many other things "traditionalists" might disagree with, but I see as non-sinful.

So then you have never read this page?

http://www.4hispeople.com/candace.htm


in Christ,

Bob

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Labels never completely characterize anyone.

Couldn't agree more.

BFA

 

[JoeyWhiteshoes]

I used to be a traditional and then a moderate and now a former adventist.

To be a moderate adventist means you don't believe all of what they teach and you want out but you stay for some reason or another.

Moderates pick and choose which points of doctrine they want to keep.

Joey

 

[RND]

I used to be a traditional and then a moderate and now a former adventist.

To be a moderate adventist means you don't believe all of what they teach and you want out but you stay for some reason or another.

Moderates pick and choose which points of doctrine they want to keep.

Joey

An honest man that JoeyWhiteshoes is.

 

[StormyOne]

I used to be a traditional and then a moderate and now a former adventist.

To be a moderate adventist means you don't believe all of what they teach and you want out but you stay for some reason or another.

Moderates pick and choose which points of doctrine they want to keep.

Joey

everyone picks and chooses, so that cannot be a defining component of a moderate..... likewise, not all moderates are the same.... labels are useless for the most part....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

everyone picks and chooses, so that cannot be a defining component of a moderate..... likewise, not all moderates are the same.... labels are useless for the most part....

That is quite true. Even our SDA friends who fall into the Heartland Institute camp fail to live up to all of the advice offered by Ellen G. White.

BFA

 

[BobRyan]

1. "Moderate" could mean -- I accept QoD as a valid reliable doctrinal statement for SDAs that is in perfect harmony with the 28FB.

2. It could mean - -I accept the 28FB and Ellen White but I don't like the harsh critical judgmental (all Ellen White all the time) spirit I find among "some" notoriously conservative web-site practices so I prefer not to be identified as "conservative".

3. Or it could mean -- I accept all 28FB but I do not accept the idea of "ceasing to sin" before the 2nd coming -- or any variation of that.

4. Or it could mean -- I accept some of the 28FB -- just not the IJ.

Or it could mean -- ??

Well I guess that is the question for this thread -- if you are moderate SDA -- what do you mean by that?

If you are not moderate-SDA what do you think the term means?

If you consider yourself moderate -- how do you suppose that differs from "progressive"?

(Maybe we need a similar thread for "progressive"?)

in Christ,

Bob

I consider myself a moderate adventist, mainly because I see the Evangelical Adventists as nothing more than evangelicals. And because I'm too liberal too consider myself a Traditional Adventist. When it comes to theological issues like the IJ, and the like, I am pretty much with the traditionals; however when it comes to tho social issues like womens ordination, wine in the Bible, not to mention anything political, I am most definitely on the liberal side of things.

Basically, I could go with point 2 of your list there.

I guessed that a lot of people were probably going to go for "Door number 2" when it comes to "Moderate".



in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I used to be a traditional and then a moderate and now a former adventist.

To be a moderate adventist means you don't believe all of what they teach and you want out

Well that is how a self-described ex-SDA would describe them - but not how Moderate SDAs describe themselves apparently.

 

[BobRyan]

I suppose I'm a "moderate", although I'd never heard the term referenced to any adventist belief before joining here. I personally don't agree with IJ/1844 doctrine. I also eat meat, listen to secular music/movies, and do many other things "traditionalists" might disagree with, but I see as non-sinful.

What would you use to define moderate vs liberal - if you already claim your version of moderate does not accept the 28 fundamental beliefs? Isn't that the definition for liberal/progressive?

A lot of moderates are not "Heartland conservative" yet they accept all the 28 Fundamental beliefs.