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Indeed the quote was incomplete.
Here it is from Romans:
All Have Sinned9 What then? Are we betterthan they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
Thanks so much for the reply. I would like to ask you a few questions. I hope you will be decent enough to answer them, others here are not really interested in an honest back and forth which includes answering and asking important questions.
In your understanding, why did Paul say "That they are all under sin" and not " that we are all under sin"?
Because it seems "many", who come in Christ's Name, are teaching that Paul is saying that both the Body of Christ, and the Jews who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them, are the same, and the followed was applied by Paul to both those who "Believed" and those who didn't.
10 As it is written:“There is none righteous, no, not one;11 There is none who understands;There is none who seeks after God.12 They have all turned aside;They have together become unprofitable;There is none who does good, no, not one.”13 “Their throat is an open [d]tomb;With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;“The poison of asps is under their lips”;14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;17 And the way of peace they have not known.”18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
That would mean Paul is saying that Jesus, even after over 14 years, was not able to bring even ONE person, "no not one" into a Righteousness that Exceeds the Righteousness of the Pharisees?
Matt. 5: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Are you also, like many, teaching that the members of the Body of Christ "“Their throat is an open [d]tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”?
In your own Bible, didn't Paul say; 1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
And now it seems, certainly according to popular religious philosophy, that there is no difference between the repentant, and the unrepentant, according to Paul. I don't believe this popular teaching of Rom. 3 and provide the following as the reason for my Faith. I so hope you will engage.
Seems Paul taught an incomplete quote of not one instance of the the Psalm but Two. But Both have the subject in the very first part so we know who David is speaking of................
Exactly. We know who David was speaking of, So who was Paul speaking of? Let's let him tell us.
Rom. 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Was Paul speaking about himself here, or the Body of Christ? Or was he speaking about men who had God's Word, but didn't believe Him?
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Who is accusing Paul of Lying? Who is Judging Paul as a Sinner here? Is Paul judging himself, or are there others, who profess to know God, but don't believe His Oracles, judging Paul as a Sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Who is Slandering Paul here? God? Jesus? God's Word? Or unbelieving Jews? Whose Damnation is Just? Is Paul condemning the Body of Christ? Himself? Or those unbelievers who are slandering him.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they (Whose Damnation is just) are all under sin;
Is Paul and the Body of Christ, even after 14 years, still under sin? Or is he speaking to those unbelievers who were slandering him, "whose Damnation is Just"?
These are relevant questions I have, and I am excited to see your answers.
One last thing to consider though. Paul said "for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin". Where did Paul prove this to the Roman's?
Was it not in Roman's 2 where he was also addressing men who; "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"
Shall we not also consider Paul's words where he is proving "both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin"?
Rom. 2: 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? (If one believes, Yes?)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart (Unbelieving heart, Yes?) treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; (Found in the Oracles of God, Yes?)
6 Who will render to every man ( Jew and Gentile) according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Body of Christ, Yes?) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, ( unbelievers who were slandering Paul, persecuting the church of God, Yes?) indignation and wrath, (Whose Damnation is Just)
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Are Jews better than Gentiles? No, in no wise, as Paul has proven, we are all judged by our deeds. We are all under the same God. Those "children of men", those "workers of iniquity", who had the Oracles of God, but persecute and slander those who refuge is the Lord, there is no "good" in them. Their damnation is just.
Psalms 5: 4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.
8 Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.
9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.
10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
But not all remain in sin. There are those who "Yield themselves" to obey God, these become "Servants of God's Righteousness", through the Grace and Mercy that God's Shows those who believe Him. As Paul also teaches.
Rom. 6: 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (The Body of Christ)
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