- Jan 26, 2012
- United States
- Marital Status
I am not trying to redeem myself in your eyes. I am posting so that others who read this may know that my usage was not incorrect.
The Jews in the time of Jesus had the concept of three “heavens”. The first Heaven was the air, where birds fly. The second Heaven was where the stars, moon, and sun exist; space. These are the “heavenly places” or “heavenly realms” (Eph 6:12, Eph 3:10). The third Heaven is where God is (2 Cor 12:2).
Satan is the lord (prince) of the air, and the ruler of all the powers of evil that are in the “heavenly places”. Thus anything supernal falls into Satan’s power.
Supernal does not mean supernatural, Godly, spiritual, or contrast with flesh as daq used it in his posts.
And I am posting this so that others who read this may understand what has happened here.
The above poster has insinuated that my understanding of the scripture is Satanic. He does not understand that testimony is spirit, and therefore we are admonished to test or try the spirits, and the only way to do this is to compare the testimony of someone with the scripture. The Master himself even says that his words are Spirit and they are Life, (John 6:63, which has been repeatedly referenced in discussion with this poster), proving by the very Testimony of the Master himself that testimony is indeed spirit: whether for the good or whether for the evil.
The prince of the power of the air is the same as the spirit of the world, which term Paul uses in 1Cor 2:12, in which passage he expounds what it means when it comes to the message which he and his companions preach. That surely means that the testimony of Paul is by the Holy Spirit even in his own thinking, which is abundantly clear in his epistles, and is true, and it is surely confirmed in other scripture passages outside the writings of Paul.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 KJV
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Understand therefore, dear reader, think long and hard before you accuse someone of being Satanic because of what they believe from the scripture, and especially when they have a mountain of scripture to support what they say: for if they are indeed speaking the truth from the scripture, according to the real and intended meanings in the scripture in the things they speak, which is the Logos-Reasoning and Wisdom from on high, then they speak according to the Holy Spirit. If therefore you call them Satanic for what they speak in the Spirit of the heavenly Father, you will be blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Remember, testimony is spirit, and those who speak according to the flesh, the physical, and the eyes and mind of the natural man: the same are those who speak the prince of the power of the air and the spirit of the world. Guard your spirit, for the tongue is a little member boasting great things, and it is a fire, the world of iniquity among our members which defiles the whole body: and it sets aflame the generation cycle, (there are four generations in the first "age" of a man), and it is set aflame by Gehenna.
Matthew 12:22-45 KJV
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation  seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation,  and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation,  and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation .