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Featured Are we seeing the end of the (dis) United States?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events (Articles Required)' started by Aussie Pete, Jan 9, 2021.

  1. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    In the House. A hypothetical question.
  2. NekoRose

    NekoRose New Member

    United States
    I think they mean if VP Pence stood up against the large amounts of proven fraud(courts would not even HEAR this evidence, which is just crazy, I have not once seen a court NOT hear evidence, usually evidence is how you either get "for" or "against" settlements. But if VP Pence tossed out, say PA votes and GA votes, the election would thus be null forcing House of Reps vote for president with EACH state getting only "1" vote, same for senate except for VP and since republicans have more states(most reps are from high population states like NY or CA, etc) Pres Trump would then win, and then day after that happens, Antifa/BLM would be burning the country down forcing martial law to not destroy anything more. So, to answer, there would be fires and destruction by antifa and BLM, even worse than what antifa and BLM did in the capitol in the guise of MAGA supporters
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  3. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    With all the public relations show of panic in Congress, martial law may be considered after the 20th
  4. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

    The only time a mob ever tried. And the mob was pretty much arested and hauled off to the hoosegow, end of "insurrection". Storm in a teacup.

    The real news is the Statist Party taking control over 2 branches of government, and planning an assault on the 3rd.
  5. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

    Biden is a Making Money For Biden theorist.
  6. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

    "You won't own anything, and you'll be happy."
  7. Thomas White

    Thomas White Well-Known Member

    United States
    Again, conspiracy theory. Democrats aren't communists.
  8. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    Then why the trend to lease everything? The objective of the WEF is that no one need be burdened with ownership again except of course those who own what is being leased. Kind of takes you back to the days of the forming of the US where only landowners got to vote and call the shots.
  9. Thomas White

    Thomas White Well-Known Member

    United States
    I answer in 3 parts:

    1.) The WEF is an international organization and is not connected with the American Democratic Party.

    2.) The WEF does not advocate for communal property.

    3.) What are you talking about?
  10. QvQ

    QvQ Active Member

    United States
    The Vietnam War Protests were as large or larger and there wasn't any social media. Those were considered "extremists" by the Government
  11. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    Wrong on three counts... but it doesn't matter. Time will show all.
  12. QvQ

    QvQ Active Member

    United States
    I believe Joe.
    Joe said, “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
  13. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    And it never got out of hand until radicals took advantage of a flower packing movement and decided to start bombings in the name of something far from peace.
  14. Thomas White

    Thomas White Well-Known Member

    United States
    Do you have any evidence that what I say is incorrect?
  15. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    2 things.. a url and the copy beneath, both from the WEF's horse's mouth

    Here's how life could change in my city by the year 2030

    These are the words and writings of one
    Klaus Schwab (Founder and executive chairman of the World Economic
    Klaus Schwab, a man born and influenced when motherland was deeply
    into eugenics.


    “partnerships between businessmen, politicians, intellectuals and
    other leaders of society to ‘define, discuss and advance key issues on
    the global agenda’.”

    “the inclusion of stakeholders and the distribution of benefits”

    The Fourth Industrial Revolution: “As human cloud platforms classify
    workers as self-employed, they are—for the moment—free of the
    requirement to pay minimum wages, employer taxes and social benefits”

    “Aging is an economic challenge because unless retirement ages are
    drastically increased so that older members of society can continue to
    contribute to the workforce (an economic imperative that has many
    economic benefits), the working-age population falls at the same time
    as the percentage of dependent elders increases”

    “While it may not feel momentous to those of us experiencing a series
    of small but significant adjustments to life on a daily basis, it is
    not a minor change—the Fourth Industrial Revolution is a new chapter
    in human development, on a par with the first, second and third
    Industrial Revolutions, and once again driven by the increasing
    availability and interaction of a set of extraordinary technologies”.

    “Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies are truly disruptive—they
    upend existing ways of sensing, calculating, organizing, acting and
    delivering. They represent entirely new ways of creating value for
    organizations and citizens”.

    “a revolution that is fundamentally changing the way we live, work,
    and relate to one another”

    “Consider the unlimited possibilities of having billions of people
    connected by mobile devices... a fusion of technologies across the
    physical, digital and biological worlds”

    Sensors.... “installed in homes, clothes and accessories, cities,
    transport and energy networks”

    “Establishing trust in the data and algorithms used to make decisions
    will be vital,... Citizen concerns over privacy and establishing
    accountability in business and legal structures will require
    adjustments in thinking”

    Where it gets interesting...

    * “The tools of the fourth industrial revolution enable new forms of
    surveillance and other means of control that run counter to healthy,
    open societies”

    * “As capabilities in this area improve, the temptation for law
    enforcement agencies and courts to use techniques to determine the
    likelihood of criminal activity, assess guilt or even possibly
    retrieve memories directly from people’s brains will increase. Even
    crossing a national border might one day involve a detailed brain scan
    to assess an individual’s security risk”

    * “The mind-boggling innovations triggered by the fourth industrial
    revolution, from biotechnology to AI, are redefining what it means to
    be human,”

    * “The future will challenge our understanding of what it means to be
    human, from both a biological and a social standpoint”.

    * “Already, advances in neurotechnologies and biotechnologies are
    forcing us to question what it means to be human”.

    ** “Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies will not stop at
    becoming part of the physical world around us—they will become part of
    us. Indeed, some of us already feel that our smartphones have become
    an extension of ourselves. Today’s external devices—from wearable
    computers to virtual reality headsets—will almost certainly become
    implantable in our bodies and brains. Exoskeletons and prosthetics
    will increase our physical power, while advances in neurotechnology
    enhance our cognitive abilities. We will become better able to
    manipulate our own genes, and those of our children. These
    developments raise profound questions: Where do we draw the line
    between human and machine? What does it mean to be human?”

    * “These technologies will operate within our own biology and change
    how we interface with the world. They are capable of crossing the
    boundaries of body and mind, enhancing our physical abilities, and
    even having a lasting impact on life itself “.

    * “active implantable microchips that break the skin barrier of our
    bodies”, “smart tattoos”, “biological computing” and “custom-designed

    * “sensors, memory switches and circuits can be encoded in common
    human gut bacteria”, “Smart Dust, arrays of full computers with
    antennas, each much smaller than a grain of sand, can now organize
    themselves inside the body”

    * “Synthetic biology” “the ability to customize organisms by writing DNA”.

    “animals could potentially be engineered to produce pharmaceuticals
    and other forms of treatment”

    “Researchers have already started to engineer the genomes of pigs
    with the goal of growing organs suitable for human transplantation”

    * “That it is now far easier to manipulate with precision the human
    genome within viable embryos means that we are likely to see the
    advent of designer babies in the future who possess particular traits
    or who are resistant to a specific disease”

    * “This gives rise to an inequality that goes beyond the societal one
    described earlier. This ontological inequality will separate those who
    adapt from those who resist—the material winners and losers in all
    senses of the words. The winners may even benefit from some form of
    radical human improvement generated by certain segments of the fourth
    industrial revolution (such as genetic engineering) from which the
    losers will be deprived. This risks creating class conflicts and other
    clashes unlike anything we have seen before”.

    * “the world lacks a consistent, positive and common narrative that
    outlines the opportunities and challenges of the fourth industrial
    revolution, a narrative that is essential if we are to empower a
    diverse set of individuals and communities and avoid a popular
    backlash against the fundamental changes under way”

    * “It is, therefore, critical that we invest attention and energy in
    multistakeholder cooperation across academic, social, political,
    national and industry boundaries. These interactions and
    collaborations are needed to create positive, common and hope-filled
    narratives, enabling individuals and groups from all parts of the
    world to participate in, and benefit from, the ongoing

    * “The young generation is firmly at the vanguard of social change.
    There is little doubt that it will be the catalyst for change and a
    source of critical momentum for the Great Reset”

    * “New approaches are currently being imagined through the combination
    of Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies, such as nanoparticles
    and other advanced materials”

    * “blanket the planet with communications pathways that could help
    connect the more than 4 billion people still lacking online access”

    “will only come about through improved global governance” “Some form
    of effective global governance”

    * “Individuals used to identify their lives most closely with a place,
    an ethnic group, a particular culture or even a language. ... Thanks
    to the combination of historical migration patterns and low-cost
    connectivity, family structures are being redefined”

    “We must re-establish a dialogue among all stakeholders to ensure
    mutual understanding that further builds a culture of trust among
    regulators, non-governmental organizations, professionals and
    scientists. The public must also be considered, because it must
    participate in the democratic shaping of biotechnological developments
    that affect society, individuals and cultures”

    * “public-private data-sharing agreements that ‘break glass in case of
    emergency’. These come into play only under pre-agreed emergency
    circumstances (such as a pandemic)”

    His newbook new book, Covid-19: The Great Reset... * “a succinct
    predictive analysis provided to private investors, global CEOs and
    opinion- and decision-makers”

    * “conjectures and ideas about what the post-pandemic world might, and
    perhaps should, look like” “The Great Reset”

    * “one of the least deadly pandemics the world has experienced over
    the last 2000 years” “the consequences of COVID-19 in terms of health
    and mortality will be mild compared to previous pandemics” “It does
    not constitute an existential threat, or a shock that will leave its
    imprint on the world’s population for decades”

    * “There are obviously fundamental dissimilarities between a pandemic
    and a war (that we will consider in some detail in the following
    pages), but the magnitude of their transformative power is comparable.
    Both have the potential to be a transformative crisis of previously
    unimaginable proportions”

    * “Some leaders and decision-makers who were already at the forefront
    of the fight against climate change may want to take advantage of the
    shock inflicted by the pandemic to implement long-lasting and wider
    environmental changes. They will, in effect, make ‘good use’ of the
    pandemic by not letting the crisis go to waste"

    * “It is our defining moment” “The societal upheaval unleashed by
    COVID-19 will last for years, and possibly generations”. “Many of us
    are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response
    is: never”

    * "Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits
    have referred to a ‘before coronavirus’ (BC) and ‘after coronavirus’
    (AC) era. ... Many of our beliefs and assumptions about what the world
    could or should look like will be shattered in the process"

    * “new ways of using technology to change behavior” “The scale and
    breadth of the unfolding technological revolution will usher in
    economic, social and cultural changes of such phenomenal proportions
    that they are almost impossible to envisage”.

    “At first glance, the pandemic and the environment might seem to be
    only distantly related cousins; but they are much closer and more
    intertwined than we think” “they are global in nature and therefore
    can only be properly addressed in a globally coordinated fashion”.

    * “This crucial difference between the respective time-horizons of a
    pandemic and that of climate change and nature loss means that a
    pandemic risk requires immediate action that will be followed by a
    rapid result, while climate change and nature loss also require
    immediate action, but the result (or ‘future reward’, in the jargon of
    economists) will only follow with a certain time lag”.

    * “The pandemic will mark a turning point by accelerating this
    transition. It has crystallized the issue and made a return to the
    pre-pandemic status quo impossible”.

    * “The pandemic will accelerate innovation even more, catalysing
    technological changes already under way (comparable to the
    exacerbation effect it has had on other underlying global and domestic
    issues) and ‘turbocharging’ any digital business or the digital
    dimension of any business”.

    * “With the pandemic, the ‘digital transformation’ that so many
    analysts have been referring to for years, without being exactly sure
    what it meant, has found its catalyst. One major effect of confinement
    will be the expansion and progression of the digital world in a
    decisive and often permanent manner.

    * “In April 2020, several tech leaders observed how quickly and
    radically the necessities created by the health crisis had
    precipitated the adoption of a wide range of technologies. In the
    space of just one month, it appeared that many companies in terms of
    tech take-up fast-forwarded by several years” “the pandemic will
    fast-forward the adoption of automation in the workplace and the
    introduction of more robots in our personal and professional lives”.

    * “Consumers need products and, if they can’t shop, they will
    inevitably resort to purchasing them online. As the habit kicks in,
    people who had never shopped online before will become comfortable
    with doing so, while people who were part-time online shoppers before
    will presumably rely on it more. This was made evident during the
    lockdowns. In the US, Amazon and Walmart hired a combined 250,000
    workers to keep up with the increase in demand and built massive
    infrastructure to deliver online. This accelerating growth of
    e-commerce means that the giants of the online retail industry are
    likely to emerge from the crisis even stronger than they were in the
    pre-pandemic era”. “As more and diverse things and services are
    brought to us via our mobiles and computers, companies in sectors as
    disparate as e-commerce, contactless operations, digital content,
    robots and drone deliveries (to name just a few) will thrive. It is
    not by accident that firms like Alibaba, Amazon, Netflix or Zoom
    emerged as ‘winners’ from the lockdowns”.

    * “The pandemic may prove to be a boon for online education,” “For a
    while, social distancing may constrain the practice of certain sports,
    which will in turn benefit the ever-more powerful expansion of
    e-sports. Tech and digital are never far away!”. “Online banking
    interactions have risen to 90 percent during the crisis, from 10
    percent, with no drop-off in quality and an increase in compliance”.
    “The combined market value of the leading tech companies hit record
    after record during the lockdowns, even rising back above levels
    before the outbreak started… this phenomenon is unlikely to abate any
    time soon, quite the opposite”.

    * “The pandemic will certainly heighten our focus on hygiene. A new
    obsession with cleanliness will particularly entail the creation of
    new forms of packaging. We will be encouraged not to touch the
    products we buy. Simple pleasures like smelling a melon or squeezing a
    fruit will be frowned upon and may even become a thing of the past”.

    * “In one form or another, social- and physical-distancing measures
    are likely to persist after the pandemic itself subsides, justifying
    the decision in many companies from different industries to accelerate
    automation. After a while, the enduring concerns about technological
    unemployment will recede as societies emphasize the need to
    restructure the workplace in a way that minimizes close human contact.
    Indeed, automation technologies are particularly well suited to a
    world in which human beings can’t get too close to each other or are
    willing to reduce their interactions. Our lingering and possibly
    lasting fear of being infected with a virus (COVID-19 or another) will
    thus speed the relentless march of automation, particularly in the
    fields most susceptible to automation”

    * “The necessity to address the pandemic with any means available
    (plus, during the outbreak, the need to protect health workers by
    allowing them to work remotely) removed some of the regulatory and
    legislative impediments related to the adoption of telemedicine”

    * “To date governments have often slowed the pace of adoption of new
    technologies by lengthy ponderings about what the best regulatory
    framework should look like but, as the example of telemedicine and
    drone delivery is now showing, a dramatic acceleration forced by
    necessity is possible. During the lockdowns, a quasi-global relaxation
    of regulations that had previously hampered progress in domains where
    the technology had been available for years suddenly happened because
    there was no better or other choice available. What was until recently
    unthinkable suddenly became possible… New regulations will stay in

    “In April 2020, just as the pandemic began to engulf the world,
    governments across the globe had announced stimulus programmes
    amounting to several trillion dollars, as if eight or nine Marshall
    Plans had been put into place almost simultaneously”. “COVID-19 has
    rewritten many of the rules of the game between the public and private
    sectors. … The benevolent (or otherwise) greater intrusion of
    governments in the life of companies and the conduct of their business
    will be country- and industry-dependent, therefore taking many
    different guises” “Measures that would have seemed inconceivable prior
    to the pandemic may well become standard around the world as
    governments try to prevent the economic recession from turning into a
    catastrophic depression.

    * “Increasingly, there will be calls for government to act as a ‘payer
    of last resort’ to prevent or stem the spate of mass layoffs and
    business destruction triggered by the pandemic. All these changes are
    altering the rules of the economic and monetary policy ‘game’.” “One
    of the great lessons of the past five centuries in Europe and America
    is this: acute crises contribute to boosting the power of the state.
    It’s always been the case and there is no reason why it should be
    different with the COVID-19 pandemic”. “Looking to the future,
    governments will most likely, but with different degrees of intensity,
    decide that it’s in the best interest of society to rewrite some of
    the rules of the game and permanently increase their role”.

    “The corporate move will be towards greater surveillance; for better
    or for worse, companies will be watching and sometimes recording what
    their workforce does. The trend could take many different forms, from
    measuring body temperatures with thermal cameras to monitoring via an
    app how employees comply with social distancing”

    “The next hurdle is the political challenge of vaccinating enough
    people worldwide (we are collectively as strong as the weakest link)
    with a high enough compliance rate despite the rise of anti-vaxxers”.
  16. QvQ

    QvQ Active Member

    United States
    Thank you. Just some thoughts.
    Historically, there are models for historical events.
    1) Severe Disruption of Economy. It was traditionally famine, war, drought but loss of manufacturing base was trigger for the Stock Market crash 2008. People were severely impacted economically. Literally lost everything. Food Stamps are the modern "soup line." Millions were on the dole.
    2) Government Collapse, 2020 The government after the Stock Market Crash instituted change based on Socialist model . Trump represents the Constitutional, Capitalist model. The economic collapse always demands changes in the model or change of model. People lose faith in the old order. That is turmoil, resistance.
    But two systems do not arise unless the existing model fails. If the stock market had not crashed, the existing model would not have been challenged.
    That is why 1 always precedes and predicts 2.

    3) IF 1 and 2 happen then Collapse of the Dollar #3 is inevitable. It is the historical outcome of losing or looting the treasury.
    That manufacturing was the wealth of the nation. When that is gone, then the country starts eating the seed corn, government fiat money. And that is accelerating due to Coronavirus.
    The government cannot pay $10 and take 1 back in taxes. And then pay $10 and take 1 back in taxes. (National Debt)..and buying everything from China (Trade Deficit)
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2021 at 7:38 PM
  17. Michael Collum

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  18. QvQ

    QvQ Active Member

    United States
    Acute Crisis disrupts the power of the State. If acute crisis is severe enough to result in civil war or to disintegrate into chaos, then the resulting State may be more repressive or even less but disorder always follows acute crisis. How society reassembles is variable by culture. Capitalism works. Globalism does not.
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  19. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    There never was a time in history where globalism could work... until now. That was the whole point of end of days seeming so far off or impossible. The traditional systems of governments are no more. A corporate mentality has in the last century been allowed to flourish and taken over the world. Just look in the beta run of the last year as an example who was allowed to remain open and who wasn't; who was allowed to continue crossing borders and who wasn't, who is allowed to stifle speech and who isn't, and so on.
  20. QvQ

    QvQ Active Member

    United States
    In Prescott circ 1880, there was a small pox epidemic. To stop the spread there were men with shot guns and rifles posted along the trails. It is called Quarantine. I am willing to bet that the boss of the guards, the mayor, any fat cat officious official could get past those guards.