Are we going to war with Iran?

[TLK Valentine]

I don't know any.

Then what were you asking for in post #64?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Good news, we have no friends in range of them.

And not many remaining out of range of them, either.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I'd sleep better knowing that their nuclear scientific community is gone and their equipment and supplies were destroyed...I think the average Iranian would too.

Really?

Would you sleep better if your country’s nuclear deterrence was removed while China, North Korea and Russia retained theirs ?

If your country had been subject of hostile superpower that destroyed your democracy, installed a puppet dictator that led to your country being taken over by religious dictatorship and in recent history embargoed your country causing civilian hardship and shortages of stuff like medicines without any results on overthrowing the said religious dictatorship but instead raising the popularity of the hardliners that could point out after US reneging on it’s treaty obligations that US could not be trusted and was indeed the enemy of Iran that actually assassinated a popular general that was groomed for political succession while hearing Trump’s speeches about fire and fury.....

You could start making a case that it would indeed be very beneficial to have nukes so the aforementioned hostile superpower couldn’t treat you like dirt.

 

[JohnDB]

Really?

Would you sleep better if your country’s nuclear deterrence was removed while China, North Korea and Russia retained theirs ?

If your country had been subject of hostile superpower that destroyed your democracy, installed a puppet dictator that led to your country being taken over by religious dictatorship and in recent history embargoed your country causing civilian hardship and shortages of stuff like medicines without any results on overthrowing the said religious dictatorship but instead raising the popularity of the hardliners that could point out after US reneging on it’s treaty obligations that US could not be trusted and was indeed the enemy of Iran that actually assassinated a popular general that was groomed for political succession while hearing Trump’s speeches about fire and fury.....

You could start making a case that it would indeed be very beneficial to have nukes so the aforementioned hostile superpower couldn’t treat you like dirt.

North Korea has shown a lot of respect for Trump...
Iran is angry with Trump...

North Korea stopped making threats...iran has not.

I don't care about who struck first, last or best.

Iran is not going to stop until America is destroyed. That's their choice.

Our choice of trying to appease them has not shown a lick of working...if it did then they wouldn't have taken over our embassy during Carter's administration.

 

[JohnDB]

The Kurds are the real source of problems...
The Kurds are an ethnic group that spans the whole Fertile Crescent from Iran and Iraq through Turkey and Syria. Even Jordan has a community.
These ethnic lines are much more important to the Kurds than political state lines. An iranian kurd is equal to a Turkish kurd.

Keeping the Kurds separate while keeping ourselves alive is the middle east goal.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

North Korea stopped making threats

That would be factually incorrect.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r.../north-korea-threatens-us-with-nuclear-attack

North Korea threatens to send army into demilitarised border zone North Korea threatens to send army into demilitarised border zone

North Korea threatens to pour 'leaflets of punishment' over South Korea

https://apnews.com/article/d2156411d6b432afeef371ac27bca23d
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[URL="https://www.npr.org/2019/12/03/784380119/amid-breakdown-in-nuclear-talks-north-korea-threatens-u-s-with-christmas-gift?t=1605983306853"]Amid Breakdown In Nuclear Talks, North Korea Threatens U.S. With 'Christmas Gift'[/URL]

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

What's your point?

My pointy is obvious. If it wasn't for the religious right. We wouldn't be sticking our nose in Israel's or Iran's business.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

We bribed Iran with a helicopter full of money. That's above and beyond what anyone else has done. We look weak to them and it will end up costing us in the long run.

Obama was paying Iran their well deserved money.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Obama was paying Iran their well deserved money.

Yeah, funny thing -- when you make a deal with someone, you pay them what they're owed.

 

[Arc F1]

Obama was paying Iran their well deserved money.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I respectfully disagree.

What do you disagree with ? That it wasn’t Iranian money ? Despite all the evidence shown to you while you have nothing to show or base your misconception on ?

 

[Nithavela]

The Kurds are the real source of problems...
The Kurds are an ethnic group that spans the whole Fertile Crescent from Iran and Iraq through Turkey and Syria. Even Jordan has a community.
These ethnic lines are much more important to the Kurds than political state lines. An iranian kurd is equal to a Turkish kurd.

Keeping the Kurds separate while keeping ourselves alive is the middle east goal.

Why is it so important to "keep the kurds seperated"?

 

[JohnDB]

Why is it so important to "keep the kurds seperated"?

It is in the world's best interest to not allow a petroleum oil superpower to exist until such time as another cheap power source can be made available. They WILL hold the world hostage to their demands...and destroy the world economy in the process.

Other sources of energy exist... nuclear power is an example. But it's also exponentially more expensive than coal or oil power generation. Ethanol is expensive as well...if it weren't for subsidies and legislation we wouldn't use it at all.

 

[Nithavela]

It is in the world's best interest to not allow a petroleum oil superpower to exist until such time as another cheap power source can be made available. They WILL hold the world hostage to their demands...and destroy the world economy in the process.

Other sources of energy exist... nuclear power is an example. But it's also exponentially more expensive than coal or oil power generation. Ethanol is expensive as well...if it weren't for subsidies and legislation we wouldn't use it at all.

I don't follow how the kurds will hold the world hostage with oil if not kept seperate. Or why they would do so.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

nm

 

[JohnDB]

I don't follow how the kurds will hold the world hostage with oil if not kept seperate. Or why they would do so.

Because over half of the land that produces oil is their homeland...by force of might they can easily control the rest.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I respectfully disagree.

It's a fact. The money belonged to Iran all along. Returning it to them was our end of the deal.

You can respectfully disagree with facts, but you'll respectfully be wrong.

 

[Nine of Spades]

My pointy is obvious. If it wasn't for the religious right. We wouldn't be sticking our nose in Israel's or Iran's business.

Your point was to throw dirt on conservatives by conflating them with pro-war Christian Zionists, none of whom actually have any real power over foreign policy. Most conservatives, religious or not, don't blindly support American military aggression in the Middle East done on behalf of Israel. In fact, Donald Trump has been downscaling our country's role and influence in that region by bringing our troops back home.

The blame for America's aggression in the Middle East obviously falls on AIPAC, the Israeli lobby. The fact that you're dishonestly blaming conservatives instead testifies to your bias against anyone whose views you don't agree with.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Because over half of the land that produces oil is their homeland...by force of might they can easily control the rest.

That is just not true. Where do you read up this stuff ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

 

[JohnDB]

That is just not true. Where do you read up this stuff ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
List of countries by oil production - Wikipedia

Kurds are not a country...they are an ethnic group spanning several.