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Are we fallen angels?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Crosssword, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. Crosssword

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    These first two vids mainly discuss whether we are fallen angels?
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    New World Order
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    A creepy heiroglyph decoded. See it in full at 7:30-8:30 and next vid.
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    Jesus took our place on the cross, and reached out to both sides.
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  2. ozell

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    no we are not fallen angels, we are from the family of man, made from dirt!

    Genesis 2:7
    And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    where did man fall from?
     
  3. Ed Bana

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    No. We were made in God's image and likeness. We are God's sons... fallen.

    Angel simply means messenger and do not need to be spiritual messengers.
     
  4. Jpark

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    Only those who are clean, repentant, and obedient are children of God.

    That means every person born into the world is initially a child of God. When we sin, we are no longer being children of God, but of Satan. But when we repent, we are children of God again.

    Are you implying there are no angels? Then what's Dan. 10:13?
     
  5. Phaedron777

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    In Hebrew the names son of God and Angel are interchangable. Consider Genesis 6, and where Jesus says "For in the ressurection shall be as the angels in heaven."

    I do think angels are ascended beings, and the eye in the pyramid is most definantly the all seeing eye of lucifer.
     
  6. alfonsobonetti

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    No, we are not "fallen" Angels....

    We are among the sons of God who kept their First Estate, thus having followed God, some serve as Angels of God. It is satan and his followers who are the only "fallen" Angels.
     
  7. Soulgazer

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    Nothing angelic, fallen or otherwise about most people I have met. I might make an exception for the Victoria's Secrets models though. ;)
     
  8. alfonsobonetti

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    Actually no we aren't made from the dirt. Only our "bodies" are.

    Most religions believe in "some" sort of pre-mortality of the spirit due to other scriptures, not simply holding fast to one scripture like you quote, even if they don't believe in a full pre-mortality such as in the LDS view. For example the "soul" is considered both the spirit and the body together as one, per other scriptures, and that his "breathing" into man is the placing of that soul into the body.

    Well, that would be an incorrect interpretation as far as being "fallen", but the place where we came from would be the heavens as one of the sons of God, who shouted for joy, followed God's Plan instead of Lucifers, etc.

    More accurately, this earth life is actually our Second Estate, thus we aren't fallen but in fact are "progressing", being the next stage of our development that we must endure with honor in order to stand on Gods Right Hand with Christ and Inherit all He hath as the scriptures state.
     
  9. alfonsobonetti

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    Yet Satan was a fallen Angel, and he would arguably be one of the most wicked of any. Being a spirit child of the Father prior to this life doesn't mean all are "good".


    Such an odd statement even if in jest per your previous sentence.
     
  10. Soulgazer

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    You may not have seen the commercials. Never mind, it was probably in poor taste.

    In our faith, bodies being made of matter are mere vehicles to carry around "us". Our first dictate of "know thyself", is so that we can distinguish all emotions, as to weather they come from on high, or are a base response to chemical or instinctual reactions, or even a drumbeat of emotion being handed to us from without. We are not easily swayed from Christ by calls for war, or desire, or given to superstition, or even insulted. The downside is that we expect other Christians to be the same.
     
  11. Matariki

    Matariki Love the Lord with all your heart, soul and MIND

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  12. Soulgazer

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    Read it, interesting mythollogy.
     
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  13. Matariki

    Matariki Love the Lord with all your heart, soul and MIND

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    What makes it mythology? :confused:
     
  14. Soulgazer

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    A myth is a sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form; it also includes any religious narrative of uncertain origin. In the case of Genesis it is in the form of entertainment, with many ribald puns which the Hebrew loved. Not speaking Hebrew, I don't get the jokes.

    It is one of several creation stories used by the Jewish religion, and one of two used by early Christians. I prefer the older alternative creation story as it fits my faith much better. Not to diminish any scripture.

    The myths, metaphors and allegories found in scripture are important to a gnostic for they help us to relate our experience of universal truth on a deeper level.
     
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