Are some vaccines made using fetal cell lines?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeah, but my reputation, and stuff...

[\sarcasm]

100% correct. However, will He find faith when He comes back?

I genuinely ask, because it is/has been so serious that I now understand why He said, "If it were possible..." the enemy would deceive the very elect. You keep alluding to simplicity that the lot of us fail to grasp with the Redeemer.

Well, it is written that everyone who refuses to serve the beast will be executed.

The use of human cells in making various drugs , lotions, creams, ointments (including for skin-softening and for make-up that multitutdes use daily) ,
is simply business as usual for the world - nothing to do with conspiracy, but very devastating whenever anyone discovers that what they used for eye liner or blush or whatever on their face for decades perhaps, and what they allowed or even asked to be injected with , contains materials that are of human origin and almost always also contains the causes of many diseases .... an "open secret" - frequently published since 1940's, then ignored and overwhelmed with dishonest promotions/sales pitches.

As written - since EVERYONE who refuses to worship (serve) the beast (person or system) is there-by executed (with no recourse),
will
Yahushua find ANYONE on earth with ANY FAITH in HIM when HE RETURNS ?

 

[USincognito]

Further, if they are always safe and perfect why have law suits been successfully won against them?

There have been no successful lawsuits against vaccines or vaccine makers since they are protected from lawsuits because of the hysteria ginned up by anti-vaxxers. There is a vaccine injury compensation fund, but the dirty little secret is that one does not have to demonstrate a connection between the "injury" and the vaccine. It's really just an emotional panacea for parents who need to blame "somebody" for their child being autistic or whatever.

Notice there isn't any list of ingredients on vaccine vials.

Vaccine vials don't list ingredients for the same reason that medication bottles don't list ingredients. The information on ingredients is found on the insert.

In the past, don't know about the present for sure, vaccines have contained things like mercury.

Vaccines never contained elemental mercury. This is simply a lie told by anti-vax hysterics. A compound of mercury were used as a preservative until it seemed like removing it would clam anti-vax hysterics. Of course it didn't. The anti-vax hysteric claims about mercury demonstrate a profound ignorance of chemistry. Sodium is a dangerous reagent that explodes on contact with water and chlorine is so dangerous it was used a chemical weapon, but when combined chemically no anti-vax hysteric would think twice about using sodium chloride in their cooking.

 

[Rick Otto]

"USincognito, post: There have been no successful lawsuits against vaccines or vaccine makers since they are protected from lawsuits because of the hysteria ginned up by anti-vaxxers.

LOL, that was pretty bold. Very little effort needed to debunk that:
"Many are not aware that in the US there is a federally operated vaccine injury compensation program (VICP) that Congress created under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. The US Court of Federal Claims in Washington DC handles contested vaccine injury and death cases in what has become known as "vaccine court".

The VICP is a "no-fault" alternative to the traditional civil court lawsuit and was established in 1986 after a string of high-profile lawsuits had slammed vaccine manufacturers.

At the time, parents were suing vaccine manufacturers after their children were brain injured or died following federally recommended and state mandated DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccine). There were several DPT injury lawsuits against the vaccine makers in the 1970's and early 1980's that resulted in multimillion dollar jury verdicts."
Government Removed Vaccine Injury Court Statistics from Website

There is a vaccine injury compensation fund, but the dirty little secret is that one does not have to demonstrate a connection between the "injury" and the vaccine. It's really just an emotional panacea for parents who need to blame "somebody" for their child being autistic or whatever.

Wow. Total spin. As if no one is ever killed or injured ...or "whatever".
It's a huge filthy secret kept out of common courtrooms and protected with public ignorance re-inforced not only by a sequestered court, but also with routine gag orders.
The reason the gov. set this up wasn't because manufacturers threatened to quit (they should have) but because the profit was too much to let go of.

 

[Rick Otto]

Vaccine suppliers are not dependent upon a continuous influx of new fetal tissue from abortions in order to make vaccines for any type of vaccine in any part of the world. Thus, you would not be injecting aborted fetus cells when giving someone a chickenpox vaccine.

That being said, there is nuance with this as vaccine development did involve fetal tissue cells which did come from a couple aborted babies back in the 60's.

So a couple tough questions.

1. You have a major measles outbreak in your community, and you as a nurse, who normally doesn't give vaccines is called up to do so as your doctors office is short staffed. Would you as a nurse refuse to vaccinate your patients due to the historical link to abortion?

If you would refuse, and thus hang your patients out to dry, you have no business being a nurse. This doesn't mean that all nurses need to do so, or even be called to do so... but if an emergency arises, and you are the sole nurse available, you need to take care of your patients. if you see yourself refusing to do so, thats a huge problem.

2. Lets say your 5 year old kid is bitten by a stray dog. Said dog is then quarantined, and was determined to have rabies. Would you as a parent consent to have the rabies shot given to your child? Knowing that if you don't, your child will suffer and likely die. Knowing also that the rabies vaccine has a historical link to abortion? If you would do this to save the life of your child, why would you not give vaccines to save the lives of other peoples children?

I know the above are hard questions...

To learn more about the history and connection between vaccines and abortion. This is a pretty decent link. Human Cell Strains in Vaccine Development | History of Vaccines

To understand morality and ethics, this statement from the Vatican can be pretty helpful, bearing in mind its a challenging read.
Vatican Statement on Vaccines Derived From Aborted Human Fetuses

As far as debating a nursing career or not... there are tons of prolife nurses, and short of a tiny number, many find no ethical challenges when it comes to giving vaccines. Rather, most nurses would find it unethical to refuse to do so. Lastly, if you have nearly any type of role in a health care facility, its highly likely you will need to provide vaccination records, and it something is amiss, you will need to get it addresses prior to hiring... which means you must be vaccinated too.

Dude,... your hypothetical put her in the very situation she is asking advice on how to avoid.
Have you even considered looking at information that doesn't shore up establishment positions? Doesn't look like it.
People with real and actual interest in truth do it all the time.
Here, do some real homework instead of just further indoctrination:

 

[Arbown]

Vaccines are perfect, safe and ethical. Always.

And also unregulated or monitored to determine what the manufacturer is putting in them. Because, if your were a murderous monster, you would totally not put harmful things in something everyone implicitly takes as "safe".

Enjoy your murdered baby bits: Which Vaccines Contain Aborted Baby Parts? - VAXOPEDIA

 

[Kaon]

And also unregulated or monitored to determine what the manufacturer is putting in them. Because, if your were a murderous monster, you would totally not put harmful things in something everyone implicitly takes as "safe".

Enjoy your murdered baby bits: Which Vaccines Contain Aborted Baby Parts? - VAXOPEDIA

Honestly, who cares?

People will maim themselves to be accepted; absorbing some alleged stuff won't keep people from doing it when their intellectual reputation is on the line.

Besides, many humans are already cannibals without knowing, and of course will never accept it. The "equine" fiasco with fast food burgers was supposed to be a wake-up call to the meats. No one cared.

We beg for our demise; don't get mad just enjoy the show made specifically for us. We all have parts to play, and time to sit in the audience.

 

[SPF]

I don't trust vaccines anyway. They have toxic things in them. There really is no scientific evidence that they even work - no control group studies for example.

Yes... there is no scientific evidence that they work... except...

1 Disease:
2 Pre-Vaccine Era Annual Mortality
3 Most Recent Report/Estimate of US Case

Diptheria: 21,053: 1
Hepatitis A: 117,333: 33
Measles: 530,217: 273
Mumps: 162,344: 2,251
Polio: 16,316: 0
Smallpox: 29,005: 0
Tetanus: 580: 20
Varicella: 4,085,120: 102,128

List goes on. https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4037.pdf

 

[Arbown]

Another good article on this:
"MEDICAL HORROR: Genetic sequencing of common vaccine finds entire male human genome from aborted human baby… “a complete individual genome” with abnormal, modified genes… 560 genes linked to cancer."

Don't get immunizations folks, they are being weaponized to kill us for the depopulation agenda. Bill Gates admits it.

 

[Arbown]

Oh, here's another:
Aborted babies are still being used in today’s vaccine production: Expert

Excerpt:
"LSN: Is the US government supporting it? And does US law require that parents be informed of what vaccines contain?

DB: Aborted fetal research has been federally funded in the US since 1993 when President Clinton signed it into law after intense lobbying by the pharmaceutical industry. And while right now, there is no legal obligation for physicians to advise parents, many prolife doctors do! In addition, there is legislation pending in at least one state – Illinois, HB0342 that would require vaccine recipients to be fully informed. See the proposed bill here.

LSN: Who is profiting from the use of aborted fetal cell lines in vaccines and more broadly by aborted fetal research?

DB: Universities, biotech companies, the pharmaceutical industry and of course, Planned Parenthood who was caught in an undercover sting discussing how they ensure obtaining intact organs for sale. And one university in Washington reported fulfilling over 4,400 fetal material requests in just one year! There is a huge market worth billions of dollars due to the creation of patents and sale of the cell lines by companies that actually store and resell aborted fetal material. A quick browse through companies such as Coriell Cell Repository and American Type Cell Culture provides the cell lines, the source, the gestation of the baby and more.

LSN: In your presentation, you talk about the need to separate myth from fact in the discussion on vaccines? What are the main myths out there? And what are the facts?

DB: Unfortunately, misinformation is widespread but here are the most common misconceptions and the actual facts:

MYTH: “The abortions were not done with intention of vaccines…”

FACT: Documentation from the researchers themselves clearly show their direct involvement and intent for over 100 years.

MYTH: “Descendant cells are not part of the original aborted fetus…”

FACT: The DNA is intact and identical to first cells harvested. If not, FDA and WHO would require a test each time cells were used. By its very definition, these are human diploid cells that contain the DNA from both parents – they do not morph into anything else over time.

MYTH: “It was only a couple of abortions from the past …”

FACT: Hundreds of abortions were performed before perfecting cell lines.

MYTH: “No further abortions are needed now or in the future…”

FACT: New aborted fetal cell lines — thousands of new abortions

LSN: What is the message you want people to take away from your presentation?

DB: There is a great deal of information in my presentation that even the medical profession and our Catholic Church is not aware of, especially regarding the horrific history of forced abortions involved in vaccine research and thousands more that led to the ultimate final production. It never ceases to amaze me when some of the myths I mentioned before have been taken as fact, especially the number of abortions and direct participation by the pharmaceutical industry in the research. To give you an example, years ago when we wrote to Merck to ask them to produce moral alternatives to the aborted fetal vaccines, they stated they had nothing to do with the original aborted fetal research. Yet in one of Leonard Hayflick’s published science papers in which he was describing his work with the aborted fetuses to produce a cell line, at the end he gives grateful acknowledgment to Dr. Anthony Girardi, Merck Research Institute for his help. The truth needs to be made known about this sordid history and it is my goal to see that is done, and ultimately to put an end to this barbaric practice.

LSN: What advice would you give new parents to help them navigate the issue of vaccines?

DB: Talk to their doctor about their concerns with the vaccines and the possible use of moral alternatives for at least some of the vaccines. For example, one of the first vaccines a baby will get is Pentacel which combines DTaP with Polio and HiB. That vaccine uses aborted fetal cells in the polio portion and there are moral options. Parents should ask their doctor for those alternatives and if he/she refuses to listen, find another doctor! Sometimes parents ask me if they should or should not use the vaccines if there is no moral option, but that is a question they need to take to God in prayer and then do whatever He puts in their heart."

 

[Sunshinee777]

I don't trust vaccines anyway. They have toxic things in them. There really is no scientific evidence that they even work - no control group studies for example. There are health care professionals, like medical doctors, who have studied them up close and in research and say they are often quite harmful, and often unnecessary to even consider.

As for fetal tissue, yes, I have heard that, too. They have also been caught selling fetal tissue for various, other, purposes.

”Don’t fix it if it’s not broken”
God made our body to fight against all kinds of illnesses and nobody can do better than God. Also God is deciding when we die, we can’t prevent what God wants for our lives.

 

[pdudgeon]

Should I used a weaker modifier?

This is what is parroted on these forums. I figure I try being part of the majority to see how that works out for me.

With all respect, the safer position is to be right with God first.