Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Where exactly does it say they did this to honor the resurrection, or its a new day of worship? This passage tells us why they came together, it was a one time meeting 30 years after the cross and it had nothing to do with the resurrection.

 

[Hentenza]

Where exactly does it say they did this to honor the resurrection, or its a new day of worship?

Where does it say in the Bible that the sabbath was kept before Moses or that the sabbath keeping is required for the Christian?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where does it say in the Bible that the sabbath was kept before Moses or that the sabbath keeping is required for the Christian?

God addressed this Himself Exo20:11 when it started and who He made it for Mark2:27 I can only trust what He says that His people would honor this. Scripture shows they kept the Sabbath and it was a commandment before He wrote it in Mt Sinai Exo16:23 so God knows and that's what matters. I trust Him over the teachings of man. God said the commandments are His Exo20:6 and that His people keep His commandments Rev14:12.

 

[Hentenza]

God addressed this Himself Exo20:11 when it started and who He made it for Mark2:27 I can only trust what He says that His people would honor this. Scripture shows they kept the Sabbath and it was a commandment before He wrote it in Mt Sinai Exo16:23 so God knows and that's what matters. I trust Him over the teachings of man. God said the commandments are His Exo20:6 and that His people keep His commandments Rev14:12. These are almost all thus saith the Lords- you feel you know better, that your choice, its not mine.

No one read the Torah until the 15th century BCE when it was written. Provide evidence that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No one read the Torah until the 15th century BCE when it was written. Provide evidence that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

I already did, words from God, you choose not to believe them, that above anything I can do.

I am not sure why you think God would not talk to His people until the 15th century.

 

[Hentenza]

I already did, words from God, you choose not to believe it, that above my pay grade.

I am not sure why you think God would not talk to His people until the 15th century.

You did not post any evidence that the sabbath was kept before Moses. Exodus 16 included Moses and I can make the argument that this is when the sabbath was first introduced. I asked you to post evidence showing that anyone kept the sabbath BEFORE Moses.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You did not post any evidence that the sabbath was kept before Moses. Exodus 16 included Moses and I can make the argument that this is when the sabbath was first introduced. I asked you to post evidence showing that anyone kept the sabbath BEFORE Moses.

You might believe that everyone before Moses rejected the Sabbath He made for them, but its not my belief. Just like its not my belief that God waited until Mt Sinai to tell one person to only worship Him or not vain His name, or not kill their neighbor. You are free to believe whatever you want, it doesn't affect me at all. God will sort it all out in His time.

 

[Hentenza]

You might believe that everyone before Moses rejected

No one “rejected” what did not exist. Try a different argument. Or better yet provide proof that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No one “rejected” what did not exist. Try a different argument. Or better yet provide proof that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

Not according to God's own Testimony.

Exo20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God made the seventh day and the Sabbath day interchangeable. There was a lot of seventh day Sabbaths between Creation and Mt Sinai.


This is not fruitful because its really an argument with our Creator, He wrote it out personally and plainly. I guess it it will get sorted out in God's times, as for me, its time for me to move along.

 

[Hentenza]

Not according to God

Exo20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God made the seventh day and the Sabbath day interchangeable. There was a lot of seventh day Sabbaths between Creation and Mt Sinai.


This is not fruitful because its really an argument with our Creator, He wrote it out personally and plainly. I guess it it will get sorted out in God's times, time for me to move on.

Again, no one read Exodus until the 15th century BCE. Secondly Moses wrote Exodus. Provide evidence that anyone kept the sabbath from Adam to/but not including Moses.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I believe Jesus addresses this argument Himself when He in His own words said He is the Lord of the Sabbath, meaning He is the Creator of it, its the day belonging to Him - which He has said a few times Exo20:10 Isa 58:13 Exo20:11 and who He said He made the Sabbath for Mark2:27 Isa56:6 not that He became it. I do not believe God needs our help speaking for Him and sadly, it most cases speaking over Him.

Then by all means, don't speak "for Him." Just close your account here on CF and be on your way, right? [Not that I actually want you to leave, but I'm making a point..................................... I hope you see your inconsistency]

While I agree there is no direct Scripture that says Jesus is the Archangel, it is used interchangeably. Scripture tells us its the voice of the Son of God is who will raise the dead at His Second Coming

No, it most definitely is not used interchangeably and I'd suggest that you not help God out by trying to interpolate His Word for things that you really don't know. It'd be better for you to admit that you don't know than to, as you've said, speak for God on things, especially on those things He hasn't actually clearly said.

Right?

John 5:25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

And also says its the voice of the archangel who raises the dead

1 Thes 4:16 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

So Scripture itself supports this argument.

I am okay agreeing to disagree. Its time for me to move along, but I wish you well.

These are equivocations and unsound deductions you're drawing by linking together separate, unrelated verses from different sources with no clear reason as to why you think that is alright to do.

I'm not going to follow that practice in my interpretation, and I know that Jesus is a different entity than Michael the Archangel.

With that, I'm not going to burn the 30 books I have on Biblical Hermeneutics and Exegesis, or Historiography, simply because some certain Christians, who seem to lack a definitive Hermeneutical Process, show up telling me I'm wrong.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Where exactly does it say they did this to honor the resurrection, or its a new day of worship? This passage tells us why they came together, it was a one time meeting 30 years after the cross and it had nothing to do with the resurrection.

They came together for the breaking of bread which was commanded to be a regular event and must celebrate the resurrection as they partake in His Resurrected Life by faith in the drinking of the wine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

They came together for the breaking of bread which was commanded to be a regular event and must celebrate the resurrection as they partake in His Resurrected Life by faith in the drinking of the wine.

The broke bread every day Acts 2:46. Acts 20:7 certainly doesn’t say anything about celebrating the resurrection , drinking wine, or deleting the 4th commandment, they speak of coming together to have a meal in the evening after sunset because Paul was leaving the next day for a long mission trip. This was a one time meeting that happened in 30 years after Jesus died.

The apostles never taught anyone to keep day one as a day of corporate worship. They were servants of God, not His corrector. This is all a man-made idea that came outside of God’s holy word. Something Jesus warned about keeping traditions over obeying the commandments of God Mat15:4-14 Mark7:7-13

 

[Carl Emerson]

certainly doesn’t say anything about celebrating the resurrection , drinking wine

Really... If your eucharist does not involve drinking wine or believing faith in the Resurrection Life in His Blood you really have missed the boat.

The problem is that while James says that the wisdom from above is reasonable, you seem unprepared to accept that reason is required in understanding His Word, being part of the Wisdom from Above. So the Scripture without the Spirit of Wisdom is dead.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Really... If your eucharist does not involve drinking wine or believing faith in the resurrection life in His Blood you really have missed the boat.

You are conflating two different things.

We are speaking of Acts 20. There is no mention of it being in celebration of the resurrection, no wine, no new day of worship, you are imposing that on the Text which it simply does not say. It was a one time meeting, in the evening and it says why because Paul would be taking a trip in the morning. It’s sad people have made a whole doctrine out of something that doesn’t exist in Scripture in lieu of the plain teachings and instructions of God, Jesus who is God told us to live by. We were warned though 2Tim4:3-4 which means we are getting closer to His return.

I know we won’t agree, thats OK, God will sort it all out soon enough.

Be well.

 

[Soyeong]

That’s not what I said in my post.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

You are conflating two different things.

We are speaking of Acts 20. There is no mention of it being in celebration of the resurrection, no wine, no new day of worship, you are imposing that on the Text which it simply does not say. It was a one time meeting, in the evening and it says why because Paul would be taking a trip in the morning.

Most here are looking at Scripture as a whole; Scripture derives context from Scripture. It is you who keep picking and choosing selectively to push a very twisted and legalistic encumbered, man centered justification and sanctification.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Most here are looking at Scripture as a whole; Scripture derives context from Scripture. It is you who keep picking and choosing selectively to push a very twisted and legalistic encumbered, man centered justification and sanctification.

Almost every post from you is just accusations and yet nothing to back it up. It’s almost as if you are saying nothing at all. We need to remember what spirit the accuser of the brethren comes from. I am happy to address Scripture, the forum rules say to address the post and not the poster. I know they are not enforced but it seems like a good Christian rule to follow.

 

[tall73]

I don't know everything, but I do know there is no Scripture in the entire Bible that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

No, it says the items listed are shadows, and the substance is of Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. (NKJV)​

The phrasing of the feasts, new moons and sabbaths refers to all the appointed times, as we see in the OT:

Ezekiel 45:17​

17 Then it shall be the prince’s part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.” (NKJV)​

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And we know this included the weekly Sabbath, as the context spells out the various offerings, including for the weekly Sabbath:

Ezekiel 46:1​

1 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. (NKJV)​

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[Soyeong]

No, it says the items listed are shadows, and the substance is of Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. (NKJV)​

The phrasing of the feasts, new moons and sabbaths refers to all the appointed times, as we see in the OT:

Ezekiel 45:17​

17 Then it shall be the prince’s part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel.” (NKJV)​

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And we know this included the weekly Sabbath, as the context spells out the various offerings, including for the weekly Sabbath:

Ezekiel 46:1​

1 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. (NKJV)​

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God's feasts are foreshadows that testify about what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by following Christ's examine of celebrating them rather than a way that bears false witness against the truth of what is to come, so Paul was emphasizing the the importance of not allowing anyone to judge and and prevent us from obeying God.