LDS Are Key LDS teachings derived from the Book of Mormon?

[Jamesone5]

You said: "And how is the way though Joseph Smith and Christ better than the way WITH Only Christ?" So you want to skip God's prophets and go directly to Christ who is Himself a prophet of God:

(New Testament | Mark 6:3 - 4)

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

We need to listen to prophets of God.

As you agreed--- Christ has many Names or references. Prophet Priest and King are among them.

 

[He is the way]

As you agreed--- Christ has many Names or references. Prophet Priest and King are among them.

Joseph Smith was also a prophet of God.

 

[Jamesone5]

Joseph Smith was also a prophet of God.

Gee I did not know you believed THAT.

 

[Jamesone5]

You said: "And how is the way though Joseph Smith and Christ better than the way WITH Only Christ?" So you want to skip God's prophets and go directly to Christ who is Himself a prophet of God:

(New Testament | Mark 6:3 - 4)

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

We need to listen to prophets of God.

Back up the train here

So you want to skip God's prophets and go directly to Christ who is Himself a prophet of God---He is the Way

You certainly never answered this question from me

"And how is the way though Joseph Smith and Christ better than the way WITH Only Christ?"

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Should be very obvious here as Christ was the final Prophet just as Hebrews 1:1-2 says.

 

[Rescued One]

Joseph Smith was also a prophet of God.

Only of a false god.

 

[He is the way]

Back up the train here

So you want to skip God's prophets and go directly to Christ who is Himself a prophet of God---He is the Way

You certainly never answered this question from me

"And how is the way though Joseph Smith and Christ better than the way WITH Only Christ?"

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Should be very obvious here as Christ was the final Prophet just as Hebrews 1:1-2 says.

Christ was NOT the final prophet nor does the Bible agree with your interpretation of Hebrews 1:1-2. First God has said:

(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

We also read this:

(New Testament | Revelation 11:6 - 11)

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Therefore even the Bible disagrees with you.

 

[He is the way]

Only of a false god.

Saying this does NOT make it so.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Saying this does NOT make it so.

You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.

 

[He is the way]

You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.

That is true. So are you going to try to back up what you say?

 

[Jamesone5]

That is true. So are you going to try to back up what you say?

Seems like you lost your "knowing" that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of the true god

Phoebe Ann said: ↑
Only of a false god.


Saying this does NOT make it so. --He is the Way

BigDaddy4 said: ↑
You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.


That is true.---- He is the Way

We are going to listen to some Mormon that isn't even sure in his own testimony of what he believes or supposedly "knows"?

 

[Jamesone5]

Christ was NOT the final prophet nor does the Bible agree with your interpretation of Hebrews 1:1-2. First God has said:

(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

We also read this:

(New Testament | Revelation 11:6 - 11)

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Therefore even the Bible disagrees with you.

The Bible is supposed to agree with me? Where did you get such nonsense?

The factor of truth is if we agree with the Bible.

Amos was an OT prophet---once again.

And you so-called proof is just more redundancy. We already went thought those Revelations verses and how they can not possibly be about JS

 

[He is the way]

Seems like you lost your "knowing" that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of the true god

Phoebe Ann said: ↑
Only of a false god.


Saying this does NOT make it so. --He is the Way

BigDaddy4 said: ↑
You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.


That is true.---- He is the Way

We are going to listen to some Mormon that isn't even sure in his own testimony of what he believes or supposedly "knows"?

Just saying something does not make it true or false, the proof is in the pudding so to speak:

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 20)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[Jamesone5]

Just saying something does not make it true or false, the proof is in the pudding so to speak:

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 20)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Following Christ leads you to truth with the Holy Spirit

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

[Jamesone5]

Just saying something does not make it true or false, the proof is in the pudding so to speak:

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 20)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I still find it humorous on this


Phoebe Ann said: ↑
Only of a false god.


Saying this does NOT make it so. --He is the Way

BigDaddy4 said: ↑
You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.


That is true.---- He is the Way

You do not seem to know if it is true if you are worshiping a false god---which certainly would produce a false prophet.

 

[He is the way]

I still find it humorous on this


Phoebe Ann said: ↑
Only of a false god.


Saying this does NOT make it so. --He is the Way

BigDaddy4 said: ↑
You saying this doesn't make it NOT so.


That is true.---- He is the Way

You do not seem to know if it is true if you are worshiping a false god---which certainly would produce a false prophet.

Joseph Smith is NOT a false prophet and I do not worship a false God or a false Christ. More than that I actually believe Christ's words when He said He has a body of flesh and bones. You should believe Him too.

 

[Jamesone5]

Joseph Smith is NOT a false prophet and I do not worship a false God or a false Christ. More than that I actually believe Christ's words when He said He has a body of flesh and bones. You should believe Him too.

Sure you know the truth about all that?
It doesn't appear to be so, in light of what you let slip out.
Seems you had a tiny little display of conscience.

 

[Rescued One]

The plan of [LDS] salvation does not come from the Book of Mormon.

 

[He is the way]

Sure you know the truth about all that?
It doesn't appear to be so, in light of what you let slip out.
Seems you had a tiny little display of conscience.

Yes, Christ has a body, He said so and I BELIEVE Him.

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes, Christ has a body, He said so and I BELIEVE Him.

Seems like you are unsure as to that truth as well.

 

[He is the way]

The plan of [LDS] salvation does not come from the Book of Mormon.

Yes it does:

(Book of Mormon | Alma 42:5 - 31)

5 For behold, if Adam had put forth his hand immediately, and partaken of the tree of life, he would have lived forever, according to the word of God, having no space for repentance; yea, and also the word of God would have been void, and the great plan of salvation would have been frustrated.
6 But behold, it was appointed unto man to die—therefore, as they were cut off from the tree of life they should be cut off from the face of the earth—and man became lost forever, yea, they became fallen man.
7 And now, ye see by this that our first parents were cut off both temporally and spiritually from the presence of the Lord; and thus we see they became subjects to follow after their own will.
8 Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness.
9 Therefore, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death.
10 Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare; it became a preparatory state.
11 And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) as soon as they were dead their souls were miserable, being cut off from the presence of the Lord.
12 And now, there was no means to reclaim men from this fallen state, which man had brought upon himself because of his own disobedience;
13 Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance of men in this probationary state, yea, this preparatory state; for except it were for these conditions, mercy could not take effect except it should destroy the work of justice. Now the work of justice could not be destroyed; if so, God would cease to be God.
14 And thus we see that all mankind were fallen, and they were in the grasp of justice; yea, the justice of God, which consigned them forever to be cut off from his presence.
15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.
16 Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be, affixed opposite to the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul.
17 Now, how could a man repent except he should sin? How could he sin if there was no law? How could there be a law save there was a punishment?
18 Now, there was a punishment affixed, and a just law given, which brought remorse of conscience unto man.
19 Now, if there was no law given—if a man murdered he should die—would he be afraid he would die if he should murder?
20 And also, if there was no law given against sin men would not be afraid to sin.
21 And if there was no law given, if men sinned what could justice do, or mercy either, for they would have no claim upon the creature?
22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the law, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God.
23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice.
24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved.
25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.
26 And thus God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, which were prepared from the foundation of the world. And thus cometh about the salvation and the redemption of men, and also their destruction and misery.
27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.
28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God.
29 And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance.
30 O my son, I desire that ye should deny the justice of God no more. Do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because of your sins, by denying the justice of God; but do you let the justice of God, and his mercy, and his long-suffering have full sway in your heart; and let it bring you down to the dust in humility.
31 And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen.