Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

[Guojing]

Poor hermeneutics. . .

"Now" refers to the time in which the writer is living; i.e., the New Covenant.

Fallacy of false
Dilemma

 

[Clare73]

Fallacy of false
Dilemma

The false dilemma is your construction of "now."

 

[Canuckster]

Do you at least love those Jews?

Stop pretending to be stupid by asking stupid questions unrelated to the OP, will ya? That way I don't have to put you on my ignore list which would make you my first.

 

[parousia70]

It appears, the only criteria for being reckoned as a Jew is to simply say “I am a Jew” and viola! you are God’s chosen people.

 

[rturner76]

Yes, I believe Jews (Israelites) are included in the Lord's first covenant. So IMO God's chosen people will be saved, not only because they observe all of the feast days but because they brought out the messiah Jesus Christ who was slain for our sins.

 

[rturner76]

It appears, the only criteria for being reckoned as a Jew is to simply say “I am a Jew” and viola! you are God’s chosen people.

I think it takes more than that like getting circumcised (if you are not), classes on Jewish doctrine, and being baptized as a Jew

 

[Canuckster]

It appears, the only criteria for being reckoned as a Jew is to simply say “I am a Jew” and viola! you are God’s chosen people.

I think the terrified Persians during the time of Mordecai, who just finished slaughtering 75,000 Persians (not including women and children), had to do a little more than that, which definitely involved circumcision and some money.

 

[Second Time is the Charm]

Stop pretending to be stupid by asking stupid questions unrelated to the OP, will ya? That way I don't have to put you on my ignore list which would make you my first.

So that means you don't? Even if those Jews get saved? A person in the Lamb's Book of Life would love the people that God loves. Those Jews who are saved will love even you. Will you love them then?

(Go ahead and put me on your ignore list. *Shrug* No loss to me. )

 

[Canuckster]

(Go ahead and put me on your ignore list. *Shrug* No loss to me. )

Great.... will do... my gain

 

[Guojing]

The false dilemma is your construction of "now."

a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides when there are many options or sides.

 

[Clare73]

a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides when there are many options or sides.

"Now" is either at the time of the assertion, or it's not.

 

[parousia70]

I think it takes more than that like getting circumcised (if you are not), classes on Jewish doctrine, and being baptized as a Jew

Well, the end result is the same. Anyone can choose to be one of God’s chosen people, the Jews, if they want.

 

[parousia70]

I think the terrified Persians during the time of Mordecai, who just finished slaughtering 75,000 Persians (not including women and children), had to do a little more than that, which definitely involved circumcision and some money.

Sure… but that doesn’t change the end result. Anyone on the planet can, at any time, all on their own, freely choose to become one of God’s chosen people, the Jews.

Which kinda takes the “Gods Chosen” out of the phrase “Gods Chosen People”, Doesn’t it?

 

[Canuckster]

Which kinda takes the “Gods Chosen” out of the phrase “Gods Chosen People”, Doesn’t it?

It sure does…. especially with the example I gave with forced conversion en masse. We know Christ won’t choose anyone who’s been “converted” in such a manner. However, because of all the intermarrying and conversions going back to the time of Mordecai, that were strictly forbidden according to the law and are the results of the traditions of Judaism (an anti-Christ old covenant heresy), the vast majority of “Jews” today don’t have a drop of Israel’s blood and fall in the category of those the Lord speaks about in Revelation 3: 9. These are not the “Chosen Ones” but the fortunate ones. Fortunate because even though they belonged to the “synagogue of Satan” their lives are spared and shown mercy as they are forced to worship at the feet of the saints, where Christ says, “indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.” The fact that they will come to this acknowledgment while having their lives spared is a great blessing resulting from Christ’s love and mercy.

 

[parousia70]

It sure does…. especially with the example I gave with forced conversion en masse. We know Christ won’t choose anyone who’s been “converted” in such a manner.

So all those native Americans that the Settlers and missionaries and conquistadors converted en masse to Christianity at gunpoint weren’t actually saved once they converted?

However, because of all the intermarrying and conversions going back to the time of Mordecai, that were strictly forbidden according to the law and are the results of the traditions of Judaism (an anti-Christ old covenant heresy), the vast majority of “Jews” today don’t have a drop of Israel’s blood

I believe the facts tell the opposite story.
Genetics, mathematics and history all agree.
Thanks to 2000 years of natural dispersion, the Abrahamic/Jacobian genome is present in the entirety of humanity today. There is NOBODY without Israel’s blood in them today.
Nobody.

Genetic Israel is a BIG club, and we’re all in it.

 

[rturner76]

Well, the end result is the same. Anyone can choose to be one of God’s chosen people, the Jews, if they want.

Well, I'm not getting circumcised for anybody's God.

 

[parousia70]

Well, I'm not getting circumcised for anybody's God.

Apparently I was circumcised for the god of western medicine.

 

[rturner76]

Apparently I was circumcised for the god of western medicine.

It's more hygienic and a neater package. So yeah, you could walk right into the nation of Israel. I would have a bigger obstacle to get over. But I would stick with the new covenant anyway. I need an advocate for my sins.

 

[Guojing]

"Now" is either at the time of the assertion, or it's not.

Just because the Old Covenant does not apply to us in the Body of Christ NOW, it does not automatically means the New Covenant apply to us NOW.

 

[Clare73]

Just because the Old Covenant does not apply to us in the Body of Christ NOW, it does not automatically means the New Covenant apply to us NOW.

You're kidding, right?. . .this is bizarre.

The blood of the new covenant (Lk 22:20, 1 Co 11:25) does not apply NOW, and salvation by faith in and trust on the person and atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) of Jesus Christ does not apply NOW, meaning no one is saved NOW?

And just where is that found in authoritative NT apostolic teaching?
Where do you come up with this stuff that stands the NT on its head?