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OK, the usage as given by Strong's doesn't indicate more than keeping hair looking good, which fits what I've found. The modern usage is irrelevant except perhaps to show a direction of drift of meaning. So as I wrote earlier, κομάω includes the meaning of "styled or ornamental hair" but does not require it.
I really wish I hadn't given away my TDNT!
I think we're drifting into "If it's okay to have pictures of Jesus, how accurate do they need to be?"Why is your one example of the wrongness of images of Christ one modern image of Christ produced and particularly popular within Western Christianity, then? Is your problem that Western Christians don't observe Jewish law or custom concerning images or haircuts, or is your problem with the supposed 'paganism' of having long hair, or...what exactly is the problem here?
The iconoclastic side of this thread is really spread thin.
Maybe -- but you need a source.Jewish men, other than those who had taken a Nazarite vow.... did not wear long hair.
Absalom was centuries earlier, as was Samson. Customs and cultures change.And, Judas needed to point Jesus out with a kiss. One reason? He wore hair like the typical Jewish young man. Like everyone else.
Absalom had long hair and the Scriptures made it a point to make it known. It was not the norm in Israel. Same for Samson.
Francis Schaeffer and his wife have helped me a lot. He came to our church and gave teaching once. He had a class for singles which was rare at the time. He said we need to be persistent in prayer over time. We do not always get instant results. Like if someone was in a wheelchair or something serious. Do not give up, keep praying and you will see results even if we do not get all of what we want. God will honor our prayers and over time. This has helped me a lot over the years. This was like 30 years ago. Ephesians 6:18 There was controversy though because he was an X catholic priest that left the catholic church to marry his wife. Some of the x Catholics were upset about that. But they had left the catholic church also. So often we want instant results and this is not always the way it works. We need to persist in our seeking after God, His will, and His plan for us.Francis Schaeffer's "Art and the Bible" was a good, short look at this topic and helped me immensely.
Still waiting for a non subjective explanation of how long long is.Jewish men, other than those who had taken a Nazarite vow.... did not wear long hair.
Francis Schaeffer and his wife have helped me a lot. He came to our church and gave teaching once. He had a class for singles which was rare at the time. He said we need to be persistent in prayer over time. We do not always get instant results. Like if someone was in a wheelchair or something serious. Do not give up, keep praying and you will see results even if we do not get all of what we want. God will honor our prayers and over time. This has helped me a lot over the years. This was like 30 years ago. Ephesians 6:18 There was controversy though because he was an X catholic priest that left the catholic church to marry his wife. Some of the x Catholics were upset about that. But they had left the catholic church also. So often we want instant results and this is not always the way it works. We need to persist in our seeking after God, His will, and His plan for us.
Read farther:Most Roman men kept their hair relatively short as a sign of dignity and control.
Roman haircare - Corinium Museum
He died early at 73 but his wife lived to be almost 100. You are right though. I wished there were a lot more like him. We need to get results when we pray or people will get discouraged and turn away from God.Wow! I'm very envious that you had a chance to meet him in person. As things in our current culture get... increasingly "interesting"... his foresight and stance looks more and more prescient each day. We need a hundred guys like him.
Still waiting for a non subjective explanation of how long long is.
OK... that shows you read it.. Thank you.Read farther:
Men also curled and dyed their hair to try to preserve the image of youth.
I'm not short tempered, I'm simply asking you to back up your thus far unsupported claims.Well? In that case? Keep waiting then.. It may take a very long time.
And, its not worth it.
Redeeming my time is my priority.
Question:
How come every time this subject comes up?
Males with long hair become short tempered?
grace and peace .........
So now you are providing evidence that the pagans had short hair, yet you earlier claimed that they had long hair, or at least their priests did. You seem to be all over the place.OK... that shows you read it.. Thank you.
Image of youth indicates that they kept their hair relatively short as well. That was the style.
Curling does not mean long hair..
The length is not the issue. The ban is on cutting or shaving. The Hasidic Rabbi follow this today.Still waiting for a non subjective explanation of how long long is.
It isn't the only word with little information. One of my favorite examples is "ακρίδες". Virtually every lexicon out there defines it solely as "locusts", where it is also the plural of "ακρις" which is the edible tip of plant shoots. The Greek monks on Mt Athos have a chuckle about most of the Christian world believing that John the Baptist ate locusts.I still haven't found anything solidly supporting that; the word itself is hard to find so I'm hunting the verb behind it, κομάω. The closest is "wear tresses of hair", which indicates it is kept attractively and possibly decoratively. Later on, by a half dozen centuries (or a bit longer) the word is used of caring for hair and beautifying it, but projecting a meaning backwards over centuries is as bad as projecting one forward over centuries. What I can say so far is that κομάω includes the meaning of "styled or ornamental hair" but does not require it.
Paul describes the woman's hair as her crown, and most crowns in antiquity tend to be fairly ornate.Though there's another issue: Paul uses the same word about women; are we to read that women must style their hair just as men aren't to style theirs? That's kind of pushing it. I found on conjectured compromise: "wearing hair long enough to be styled", which has its own problems -- who decides hair is long enough to be styled?
Not all are not unsupported. I just assume you have long hair and be done with it.I'm not short tempered, I'm simply asking you to back up your thus far unsupported claims.
Triple negative, wow!Not all are not unsupported.
My hair is just long enough now to tie behind my head which keeps it out of my eyes. Before I let it grow it would require constant trimming as it would grow back quickly and otherwise require the use of hair gel to keep it out of my eyes and I no longer need to waste money on either. My understanding of Paul's comment to the Corinthians however has not changed with the longer length of my hair. I had the same understanding back when I had my hair cut short.I just assume you have long hair and be done with it.
Somebody hasn't read the thread.God tells us that we should not make an idol/statue or picture/image of anything to be used in the place of God. So using pictures and statues of God or Jesus and bowing down to them as if they had special powers is absolutely forbidden. The use of icons and pictures
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