Are Globalists using COVID-19 to promote Global Government?

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Would it be a big deal if the NIH helped fund "Gain-of-Function research", which did experiments in an attempt to make some viruses more pathogenic?

Would it be a big deal of Dr. Anthony Fauci supported that research?

Anthony Fauci Reportedly Relaunched Gain-of-Function Research without Consulting White House | National Review

Would it be making a molehill into a mountain if naturally occurring viruses were made more communicable, or more deadly?


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I am skeptical of articles which contain words similar to "reportedly" in their titling.

It's sort of like ... "Some people say ... " ...
 
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If vaccines are readily available and effective then the only folks who run any risks from the unvaccinated are the unvaccinated. If they choose to run such a risk, what difference does that make to those who've chosen vaccination and are protected? In a free society people may run whatever risks they like, just as they do with, say, driving, which has killed many more millions over the years than any virus has.
A problem ... is that the virus has demonstrated its ability to mutate to more virulent forms. To leave COVID circulating in, even, a small sub-population, ... is an increased risk for these variants to develop. The safest course is to reach "herd immunity", either through vaccination or exposure.

But you can't force people to be vaccinated ... so we will suffer what we will ...
 
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My wife had a mild case of the virus, but it almost killed a man I go to church with.

Can you explain why the governor of my state ordered pharmacists not to fill prescriptions of Hydroxychloroquine to treat patients infected with COVID-19? We will never know how many people Governor Roy Cooper killed by interfering with the doctor-patient relationship.
Because, in America, drug utilization is managed through the FDA, ... and the FDA has not approved these drugs for use for COVID.

It's to guard us from snake-oil salesmen ...
 
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You realize that your use of "drugs" includes things such as ...

* All of the previous vaccinations most Americans have received (polio, smallpox, diptheria, MMR, etc.)
* Aspirin and other pain-relievers
* Modern cancer treatment
* Modern antibiotic technology
* Modern diabetes care
* Modern hypertensive care
* Modern circulatory disease care

IOW, the medical care that has, effectively, doubled the human life-span ... and spared families the agony of regularly seeing their young children pass before them.

Is the the “Pharmakeia” to which you refer ???
It sounds to me like the word "Pharmakeia" in Revelation 9:21 carries a deeper connotation than what you described above.

Strong's Greek: 5331. φαρμακεία (pharmakeia) -- the use of medicine, drugs or spells
 
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And some flat out refuse to see.
And some, flat out, are delusional.

Like those that think that Trump actually won the election, ... or that pay any heed to QAnon theories, ... that have fallen short so many times, they remind me of the Jehovah's Witnesses ...
 
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A problem ... is that the virus has demonstrated its ability to mutate to more virulent forms. To leave COVID circulating in, even, a small sub-population, ... is an increased risk for these variants to develop.

This happens with a great many viruses and bacterium and yet we don't have a force-vaccination policy being proposed for dealing with them (though, Big Pharma would love it if we did).

But you can't force people to be vaccinated ... so we will suffer what we will ...

No one bats an eye at this when it comes to, say, driving. Since cars took to roadways many decades ago, many millions world-wide have died in car accidents. Around 3700 people every day globally die in car accidents. Many more are injured. Do you hear a hue-and-cry to ban driving? Is there the sort of bullying going on with driving that you hear nowadays with the Wuhan virus "vaccine"? Far more people have died - and will die - because of driving than have ever died from any virus. But we don't hear, "If you cared about others, you'd get rid of your car. If you loved like Jesus, you'd never put others in jeopardy by driving a car." This is though, the specious reasoning believers are using against each other in their attempts to bully fellow Christians into being injected with a novel and largely untested "vaccine."

Freedom, liberty, is risky. We once all knew this. And we were okay with it. But gradually, North American culture has become safety-obsessed, willing to be stripped of freedom in order to avoid risk. And there are always those who, seeing an opportunity for power over others by means of this obsession, massage the fear of danger and risk to inordinate proportions, inducing others to give up their freedom in a fit of fearful panic and place themselves under their power. "We'll keep you safe," they promise "But only if we can order your lives for you, imprisoning you in a safe cocoon of our rules that will govern, not just how you behave, but how you think." But as history shows again and again, when such power was given to those who offered such a "deal," those who gave up their freedom for safety found themselves in terrible jeopardy from those under whom they had placed themselves. Stalin murdered tens of millions; Chairman Mao (and now Xi Xiping) murdered millions; the communist Khmer Rouge murdered millions; North Korean leaders have killed millions, and so on.

As dangerous as freedom is, it is never as lethal as living stripped of freedom under the power of the State.
 
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No one bats an eye at this when it comes to, say, driving. Since cars took to roadways many decades ago, many millions world-wide have died in car accidents. Around 3700 people every day globally die in car accidents. Many more are injured. Do you hear a hue-and-cry to ban driving?
Actually, wearing a seatbelt while driving AND not drinking and driving are attempts to mitigate of the risks of driving.

Proponents of liberty above all need to acknowledge that they are choosing to live in SOCIETIES which mandate cooperation with other people. If you want to be completely free, ... then you are free to go live on your own off the grid. But, if you take advantage of the benefits of living in a society, ... it is hypocritical to scream about contributing to those benefits ...
 
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No one bats an eye at this when it comes to, say, driving. Since cars took to roadways many decades ago, many millions world-wide have died in car accidents. Around 3700 people every day globally die in car accidents.
Less than 40,000 people die from vehicular accidents each year in America.

That's less than 1/12 of the Americans who died from COVID last year.
 
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But as history shows again and again, when such power was given to those who offered such a "deal," those who gave up their freedom for safety found themselves in terrible jeopardy from those under whom they had placed themselves. Stalin murdered tens of millions; Chairman Mao (and now Xi Xiping) murdered millions; the communist Khmer Rouge murdered millions; North Korean leaders have killed millions, and so on.
In not one of these situations you cited ... were freedoms exchanged for safety.
 
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Because, in America, drug utilization is managed through the FDA, ... and the FDA has not approved these drugs for use for COVID.

It's to guard us from snake-oil salesmen ...

Does Governor Roy Cooper work for the FDA?

Why have the doctors in some states been allowed to use Hydroxychloroquine, and others have not?

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Actually, wearing a seatbelt while driving AND not drinking and driving are attempts to mitigate of the risks of driving.

People die wearing their seatbelts. People die while driving sober. If we really love others, the thinking goes with the virus, we must eliminate all risk, not merely mitigate it. So everyone must be vaccinated. If we applied this thinking to driving - which we don't - all driving must cease. No one dies from driving if no one drives, right? Surely, love constrains us to prevent all risk to others, even if they willingly assume those risks. No one uses this reasoning with driving because it is obviously silly but it is the very logic being employed in regards to the virus and vaccination.

Proponents of liberty above all need to acknowledge that they are choosing to live in SOCIETIES which mandate cooperation with other people.

Strawman. No one is proposing anarchical liberty.
 
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Less than 40,000 people die from vehicular accidents each year in America.

That's less than 1/12 of the Americans who died from COVID last year.

How many altogether have died in such accidents since cars appeared on American roadways? And globally? Really, though, this is essentially nit-picking, straining at detail in deflection of my primary point.
 
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Does Governor Roy Cooper work for the FDA?

Why have the doctors in some states been allowed to use Hydroxychloroquine, and others have not?
Use of Hydroxychlorine has not been disallowed, only disapproved, meaning doctors prescribe it at their own risk (i.e. despite FDA disapproval)
 
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People die wearing their seatbelts. People die while driving sober. If we really love others, the thinking goes with the virus, we must eliminate all risk, not merely mitigate it. So everyone must be vaccinated.
Strawman ... noone has said we must eliminate all risk.

The vaccine is not mandatory.
 
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How many altogether have died in such accidents since cars appeared on American roadways? And globally? Really, though, this is essentially nit-picking, straining at detail in deflection of my primary point.
Well ... that's not quite an accurate comparison, is it ?

Comparing a year's worth of American COVID deaths ... against any and all vehicular accident deaths that have occurred in the history of the world, ... ???

Yep ... that's some nit-picking ...
 
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Yikes. You're not a student of history, I guess?
Since you, most assuredly, are ... please give me historical examples of where "citizens exchanged freedoms for tyranny" ... in any one of the societies you mentioned ...
 
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Use of Hydroxychlorine has not been disallowed, only disapproved, meaning doctors prescribe it at their own risk (i.e. despite FDA disapproval)

Can you explain why Governor Roy Cooper told pharmacists not to fill prescriptions for Hydroxychloroquine in North Carolina, even when a doctor prescribed the drug?

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