Are Christians allowed to eat pork under the New Covenant?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Note that it's also about a change of the law:

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And the New Covenant law has no food restrictions.

Matthew 5:17-18 means Jesus Christ came the 1st time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53).

Isaiah 61:2
to proclaim the year of Yahweh's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;

Isaiah 34:8
For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance,
The year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

It is interesting to note that Jesus left out "day of vengeance of our God" in Luke 4:19:

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
18“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me,...................
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” [Isaiah 61:2]
21 and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Luke 23:27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And grieved and wailed over Him.
28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem no be lamenting/klaiete <2799> (5720) over Me!
moreover for yourselves! be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
[Isaiah 4:4/Reve 18:19]

John 19:30
When then Jesus had received the vinegar, He said "It has been finished"!
and reclining the head He gives up the spirit.

DAY OF VENGEANCE ON JERUSALEM....OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW

Revelation 18:9
and lamenting/klausontai <2799> (5695) over Her, and smite themselves for Her, shall the kings of the earth, who with Her did commit whoredom and did revel,
when they may see the smoke of her burning,

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover;
and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.

 

[Dig4truth]

Isaiah 61:2
to proclaim the year of Yahweh's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;

Isaiah 34:8
For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance,
The year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

It is interesting to note that Jesus left out "day of vengeance of our God" in Luke 4:19:

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
18“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me,...................
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” [Isaiah 61:2]
21 and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Luke 23:27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And grieved and wailed over Him.
28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem no be lamenting/klaiete <2799> (5720) over Me!
moreover for yourselves! be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
[Isaiah 4:4/Reve 18:19]

John 19:30
When then Jesus had received the vinegar, He said "It has been finished"!
and reclining the head He gives up the spirit.

DAY OF VENGEANCE ON JERUSALEM....OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW

Revelation 18:9
and lamenting/klausontai <2799> (5695) over Her, and smite themselves for Her, shall the kings of the earth, who with Her did commit whoredom and did revel,
when they may see the smoke of her burning,

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover;
and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.

The quote "day of vengeance of our God" was left out because that was the second coming activity. Yeshua was speaking exclusively of His redeeming first coming. I assume you knew that already.

 

[BobRyan]

It's not really about "beliefs" but about the instructions of God.

The Holy Spirit leads us to obey God's instructions:

Rom 8:6-8 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


Yeshua, our Shepherd, only has "one" flock. There is no difference in Messiah between Jew and non-Jew.

This "one flock" of God is identified by their love. Love is based on the instructions of God. Yeshua said:

Mat 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Is it any wonder that Yeshua said, "If you love Me, keep my commandments"? We cannot love Him without doing that since love is based on the commands of God.

Indeed - in the OT God said not to eat dogs cats rats bats and diseased meat in Lev 11.. some people object to God having that in the Bible.

Christ did not die on the cross so people could start eating rat sandwiches or cat sandwiches.

In Acts 10 - Peter confirms that even to that point after the cross - he was still not eating rats or cats.

God made humans...He also made cats... He knows what He is talking about (Believe it or not)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Indeed - in the OT God said not to eat dogs cats rats bats and diseased meat in Lev 11.. some people object to God having that in the Bible.

Christ did not die on the cross so people could start eating rat sandwiches or cat sandwiches.

In Acts 10 - Peter confirms that even to that point after the cross - he was still not eating rats or cats.

God made humans...He also made cats... He knows what He is talking about (Believe it or not)

Guess Rambo is going to hell then......

.........................

 

[BobRyan]

Guess Rambo is going to hell then

Ahh yes -- theology "based on rambo!" I love it!!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Guess Rambo is going to hell then......

.........................

Ahh yes -- theology "based on rambo!" I love it!!

that was good.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ahh yes -- theology "based on rambo!" I love it!!

I thought you might.....
Whatever works

Ahh yes -- theology "based on rambo!" I love it!!

that was good.

Yes it was.
Caught me off guard...

 

[Bible2+]

Dig4truth said in post #560:

Bible2 said:

And the New Covenant law has no food restrictions.

Why would they need to be restated?

Because the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished on the Cross of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:15-16).

Dig4truth said in post #560:

It also says nothing about having relations with animals, do you suspect that is now kosher too?

No, for that would fall under "going after strange flesh" (Jude 1:6-7).

Dig4truth said in post #560:

Remember also that they are spoken of in a passive sense. Meaning that when mentioned they are assumed to be an instruction of God. This is evident in Peter's vision, where he mentions "unclean" animals.

Note that under the New Covenant, all meats are clean (Mark 7:19).

Dig4truth said in post #560:

. . . the instructions of God have not been done away with.

Note that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic instructions of God have been done away with (2 Corinthians 3:11).

 

[Dig4truth]

Because the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished on the Cross of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:15-16).

Yeshua said that He did NOT come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Are you saying He was wrong?

The Scripture says that until ALL is fulfilled, and as long as heaven and earth are here, not the smallest letter or stroke of the pen of the Law and Prophets would be done away with. Yeshua has not come back for His bride yet and He has not come to judge the world either, so all is not fulfilled. Also, heaven and earth are still here.

Are you saying that Yeshua got that wrong too?

No, for that would fall under "going after strange flesh" (Jude 1:6-7).

This passage is about the Angels that fell and had relations with human women.

Note that under the New Covenant, all meats are clean (Mark 7:19).

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Yeshua begins with upholding the commands of God over the tradition of men.


13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

Again Yeshua holds up the Word of God over the tradition of man.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
KJV


Clearly, this is a teaching about a heart issue and not what kind of food is eaten. Also noticeable is in the KJV that the words in italics in some translations is not included; (all meats clean).

Do you honestly believe that in a passage holding up the instructions of God, Yeshua would then teach against the them?

Note that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic instructions of God have been done away with (2 Corinthians 3:11).

II Cor 3:11 For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.


It was the glow of Moses' face that was fading away.


15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.


Clearly, when Moses is read today after someone has turned to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Why would people that have turned to the Lord even read something that was "done away with", as you say?

 

[BobRyan]

I
]Because the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished on the Cross of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:15-16).

A quote of "you" that sticks Eph 2:15-16 at the end??

Now ... would rambo do that??


Note : "Do not take God's name in vain" still applies - even though it is never quoted in the NT and is in the Mosaic Law of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:7

 

[Dig4truth]

A quote of "you" stat sticks Eph 2:15-16 at the end??

Now ... would rambo do that??


Note : "Do not take God's name in vain" still applies - even though it is never quoted in the NT and is in the Mosaic Law of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:7

Rambo 3:16

 

[BobRyan]

Rambo 3:16

frog-wenta-courtn-he-did-ride....rambo or is it "clambo"?? No wait! crambo!

 

[Bible2+]

Dig4truth said in post #569:

Also, heaven and earth are still here.

Matthew 5:18 didn't mean heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times) on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Dig4truth said in post #569:

Bible2+ said:

No, for that would fall under "going after strange flesh" (Jude 1:6-7).

This passage is about the Angels that fell and had relations with human women.

That's right. They went after the flesh of another species.

Dig4truth said in post #569:

[Re: Mark 7:8-19]

Do you honestly believe that in a passage holding up the instructions of God, Yeshua would then teach against the them?

Only He can teach against them (e.g. Matthew 19:7-9).

Dig4truth said in post #569:

It was the glow of Moses' face that was fading away.

Also, his ministration of death would too (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

Dig4truth said in post #569:

Why would people that have turned to the Lord even read something that was "done away with", as you say?

No scripture has been annulled entirely (2 Timothy 3:16). Instead, what was annulled on Jesus Christ's Cross was only the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18).

For example, the letter of the command to keep the sabbath (Exodus 31:15a) has been annulled in the same way the letter of the command to execute anyone who does any work on the sabbath has been annulled (Exodus 31:15b). Or do you believe that anyone who does any work on the sabbath should still be executed? If you don't, then what do you call what has happened to the letter of Exodus 31:15b?

 

[Dig4truth]

Matthew 5:18 didn't mean heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times) on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Where does it say 1st coming only?

I made the point that Yeshua specifically said that He did NOT come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. How can you say that this is the very thing that He did? Was He mistaken? Was He lying?

That's right. They went after the flesh of another species.

Not animals though, that was the point. It's clear that this verse has nothing to do with God's instruction about inappropriate behavior with animals. Not repeated in the NT. Does this mean that it is now ok? Has this been annulled by Yeshua on the cross also?

Only He can teach against them (e.g. Matthew 19:7-9).

Yeshua was not speaking against the commands of God, but the hardness of men's hearts.

In His own words, Yeshua said that, "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven".

Wouldn't this mean that Yeshua Himself is now the least in heaven because He both annulled and spoke against the commands, according to you?

Also, his ministration of death would too (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

Do you mean the "holy, righteous, good and spiritual" instructions of Father God? Because that is exactly what you are referring to.

No scripture has been annulled entirely (2 Timothy 3:16). Instead, what was annulled on Jesus Christ's Cross was only the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18).

For example, the letter of the command to keep the sabbath (Exodus 31:15a) has been annulled in the same way the letter of the command to execute anyone who does any work on the sabbath has been annulled (Exodus 31:15b). Or do you believe that anyone who does any work on the sabbath should still be executed? If you don't, then what do you call what has happened to the letter of Exodus 31:15b?

Yeshua did not come to annul the commands, but you say that He did. Whom shall I believe?


Rom 7:13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.


I'm not going to argue over this topic but there seems to be a disconnect with some people when it comes to Paul's writings. We have been warned that unstable and untaught people distort Paul's writings. II Peter 3:15-17

It would be advisable for all of us to tread carefully, comparing Scripture with Scripture and make sure that we are not mishandling the Word of God.

Hopefully we all can grow in the wisdom and admonition of the Lord.

 

[BobRyan]

Matthew 5:18 didn't mean heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's 1st coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times)

Interesting idea - but not what can be supported from the text.

Jesus is not trying to 'solve the problem' for the Jews of his day - of commands like "do not take God's name in vain" (for example) or "do not covet" or "honor your parents".

When He said 17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; " He uses a phrase that means "all of scripture" to His hearers. Like saying "Do not think that I came to delete the Bible".

He is being charged as a sinner as a law breaker - as one who opposes scripture. His argument is that those who attack him, his enemies that falsely accuse Him on that point -- are wrong... dead wrong.


Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In the remainder of the chapter He goes on to show how scripture is 'magnified' in His teaching --- not deleted. And He shows how man's traditions are being diminished in His teaching.

Does it again in Mark 7:k6-13 with even more force used for condemning those who would edit/delete/set-aside the "Word of God".

There was no concept at all in all of scripture saying that once the Passover type was fulfilled in the Messiah - that it would be ok then to "Take God's name in vain". They had no such teaching and had no such "desire" to be freed from such commands found in scripture.

I think we all know that.

 

[BobRyan]

Dig4truth said in post #569:

[Re: Mark 7:8-19]

Do you honestly believe that in a passage holding up the instructions of God, Yeshua would then teach against the them?

Only He can teach against them (e.g. Matthew 19:7-9).

Did you see something in Matt 5, or Mark 7:6-13 or Matthew 19 "teaching against scripture" ?? Against "The Law and the prophets" of Matt 5??

Neither was there anyone in Matthew 5 complaining that Christ was not killing enough Sabbath-breakers... nor were the Jews themselves doing that.

If so .. go ahead and quote it for us and show us how it contradicts scripture.

 

[BobRyan]

For example, the letter of the command to keep the sabbath (Exodus 31:15a) has been annulled in the same way the letter of the command to execute anyone who does any work on the sabbath has been annulled (Exodus 31:15b).

Not in real life - in real life there were civil laws that only applied when Israel was its own sovereign nation... and there were moral laws - such as the Ten Commandments.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Acts 11...God's approval of ALL food
5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me,
6 and when I had fixed my gaze on it and was observing it I saw the FOUR FOOTED ANIMALS of the earth and the wild beasts and the CRAWLING CREATURES and the BIRDS of the air.
7 I also heard a voice saying to me,
‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’
8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ (GOOD OT JEW!)
9 But a voice from heaven answered a second time,
‘What God has CLEANSED, no longer consider unholy.’
10 This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into the sky.

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth,
and SUBDUE it;
and RULE over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over EVERY LIVING THING that moves on the earth.”

Genisis 1:
11 Then God said,
“Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth
bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so.

God's temporary OT "health" laws for His chosen people were to help them get to the promised land.

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Laws.

CHOW DOWN ON ALL HEALTHY FOOD!

 

[BobRyan]

Acts 11...God's approval of ALL food

There is no "God's approval of all food" in Acts 11 -- in the actual Word of God.

5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me,
6 and when I had fixed my gaze on it and was observing it I saw the FOUR FOOTED ANIMALS of the earth and the wild beasts and the CRAWLING CREATURES and the BIRDS of the air.
7 I also heard a voice saying to me,
‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’
8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ (GOOD OT JEW!)

Thus the response to eating rats and snakes was to respond as if this were some sort of test of faith.

9 But a voice from heaven answered a second time,
‘What God has CLEANSED, no longer consider unholy.’
10 This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into the sky.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
...

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Peter is uncertain about the meaning of the vision until the 3 gentiles arrive with their request then instead of concluding "God has shown me that I should call no rat-sandwich unclean" he says but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

And of course there was no "law" in scripture that Jews could not keep company with a gentile... it was a "man-made-law".

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Laws.

IN the LAW of Moses.

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
"Do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7

So then as you note - Jesus perfectly kept the Law of Moses - what is your point?

CHOW DOWN ON ALL HEALTHY FOOD!

Which was God's point all along -- see Genesis 1.